[RegisteredUser]

To all,

Will Rogers ever bring in the Blackberry 8320?

Hard to say. For one thing, with 8320's WiFi capability, they will lose 80% ~ 90% of their profit from the data charges they've sucked all us on.

From a consumers point of view, we can now make that evil laugh..."muahahahahahaahahhahaaaaaahh"

If there was Skype ($30/year unlimited calls in North America) on Blackberry 8320, we can make Skype Calls easily and cheaply.... using WiFi.

With WiFi and Skype, you can literally make unlimited calls with unlimited time and not a ding to the minutes used and data charges on your phone bill. From a $400 monthly phone bill from all those emails and data charges, down to $20 ~ $40 monthly phone bill.

[pokey]

From what I have been told by a number of sources, Rogers has it set up when it comes out so that, unless you subscribe to a data plan, then WIFI cannot activate....Smart.....Money grab though....

Originally Posted by RegisteredUser

To all,

Will Rogers ever bring in the Blackberry 8320?

Hard to say. For one thing, with 8320's WiFi capability, they will lose 80% ~ 90% of their profit from the data charges they've sucked all us on.

From a consumers point of view, we can now make that evil laugh..."muahahahahahaahahhahaaaaaahh"

If there was Skype ($30/year unlimited calls in North America) on Blackberry 8320, we can make Skype Calls easily and cheaply.... using WiFi.

With WiFi and Skype, you can literally make unlimited calls with unlimited time and not a ding to the minutes used and data charges on your phone bill. From a $400 monthly phone bill from all those emails and data charges, down to $20 ~ $40 monthly phone bill.

[Lex Luthor]

I was having a look at Howard Forums & noticed that in this thread:

http://207.210.82.132/showthread.php?t=1236731

There is a post where the moderator had tried the unbranded 8320 with 2 different sim cards. 1 was provisioned for BB use and the other was not. With the one that was provisioned for BB he could do it all (email, pin, surf, etc...), with the non BB sim he couldn't email or pin but was able to surf using the wifi connection. I guess someone could just purchase an unlocked 8320 and take advantage of the wifi if Robbers doesn't release this model. Robbers charges way too much for BB data (actually all CDN carriers do) I wish our data rates were like T-Mobile's rates in the US but that's just a dream that won't ever come true.

[Mark Rejhon]

Originally Posted by RegisteredUser

With WiFi and Skype, you can literally make unlimited calls with unlimited time and not a ding to the minutes used and data charges on your phone bill. From a $400 monthly phone bill from all those emails and data charges, down to $20 ~ $40 monthly phone bill.

I have bitten the bullet and gotten the $100/month data plan. It is almost all-you-can-eat when it comes to "in-BlackBerry activities". I've been surfing like crazy (Opera Mini at MAXIMUM QUALITY images) and surfing on my laptop over Bluetooth tether to my 8700r (OS 4.2 supports Bluetooth modem tether for laptop), and I still use less than 100 megabytes a month. That would have cost over $500 in data overages if I wasn't on the $100 data plan.

I do use a dialup accelerator to get HSDPA/EVDO like web speeds on my laptop, and to cut down on data downloads when surfing on my laptop through BlackBerry on Rogers... (I use Propel Accelerator with "Progressive Image Download" turned off)

I know, I hate Rogers pricing, and that's why my partner's BlackBerry is only on a $5 generic data plan. Rogers now finally offered reasonable generic data plan pricing 5 / 10 MB for $5 or $10 per month; these work on the BlackBerry with Opera Mini, IM+, JiveTalk, Google Maps Mobile, BBWeather, GMAIL app, and other software. You just cannot use BlackBerry branded software. I also recommend to turn off automatic image download in web browser if on a 5/10MB plan, and try not to use map software unless absolutely necessary (since it easily uses 200-300 KB per use). Since the extra per-MB price is expensive ($50!). But it's crazy that the 10MB for $10 generic data plan is cheaper than the 7MB for $40 BlackBerry plan.

Rogers is kind of tied behind their back because they are trying to milk their corporate customers and they haven't quite got the BlackBerry plans down to consumer pricing, but the introduction of the cheap $5 data plan is a good sign -- hopefully they knock prices down quickly because they kind of want to bring iPhone into Canada, but need at least a year of gradual data price cuts before they are "ready".

Maybe not unlimited, but more realistic pricing levels. I hope so-called "unlimited" at $60 (with a hidden 2 gigabyte "excessive use" cap, as Rogers always like to do). This would be high enough to support majority of iPhone users; and would benefit us BlackBerry users. Not as cheap as T-Mobile, but a big improvement.

I predict come late 2008, we'll have much more reasonable Rogers pricing roughly similiar to what I am suggesting above: They're slowly forced to gradually commoditize the data pricing, as evidenced by the introduction of the cheap $5 data plan which I now successfully use on my partner's BlackBerry.

[Mark Rejhon]

Originally Posted by pokey

From what I have been told by a number of sources, Rogers has it set up when it comes out so that, unless you subscribe to a data plan, then WIFI cannot activate....Smart.....Money grab though....

It should work if you're on the Rogers $5 non-BlackBerry data plan. ("Rogers Navigate Data Plan"). See my previous post explaining the new $5 generic data plan that Rogers introduced not too long ago.

[elpha]

Originally Posted by RegisteredUser

To all,

Will Rogers ever bring in the Blackberry 8320?

I'll tell you what: If you want an 8320, I'll trade you one from my carrier (T-mobile USA) for an 8310 from your carrier. How does that sound? You want wifi, I want gps, neither of our carriers want to offer us both options, but the internet conquers all.

[Weedums]

Any update on this topic? I'm getting anxious to jump from my 8100 to an 8320. Ridiculous to think that I can see the RIM factory from my window without being able to use one!

I managed to get it out of a tech support guy who told me they were coming, that if I wanted one for Christmas I'd be able to... So before the end of the year. But when!? I want it this month!

[Lex Luthor]

I'm wasn't going to wait to see if Rogers would carry it or not. My corp Rogers reps heard rumblings of the 8820 but not the 8320 so I just got an unlocked 8320 to use on Rogers and it's been working great!

[beprahst]

I bet you will see a lot of trading between Rogers and Tmo users. I am about to put out a Want-To-Trade post myself. As a Tmo user I'd prefer the 8310, but can upgrade cheap to the 8320. I could go eBay, but would wind up paying a lot more. And I don't want to switch to ATT.

[Weedums]

Thats the thing, i could always get an unlocked BBerry, but the extra money I pay (sticking with Rogers in the long term anyway) without re-signing a contract is simply too high.

[jewberry]

I'm using a 8320 device on Rogers. How do I configure it so that I can make calls over the internet using wifi?

BTW, wifi drains the battery big time.

[sgtcasey]

edit

[pokey]

Roger's does not support this and apparently never will. Rogers also said they will never introduce a WIFI Blackberry. They hose you for data rates and this is how they make their money.

Originally Posted by sgtcasey

Rogers would need to support that first and to my knowledge they don't. So you can't.



It's normal for the battery to drain faster if you have the wi-fi radio on.

Dave

[fr0zen]

rogers will not release 8320. It doesn't make sense for them to do so, they already have 8300 and 8310.

[Weedums]

The BlackBerry tech support did say we'd be getting it before Christmas... Now, I know that's not the greatest source in the world. But this information comes from the actual dedicated BlackBerry team at Rogers, so they would probably have that information.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by jewberry

I'm using a 8320 device on Rogers. How do I configure it so that I can make calls over the internet using wifi?

BTW, wifi drains the battery big time.

Rogers Wireless does not support UMA therefore you can't make calls over WiFi.

I leave my WiFi on 24/7 and I am getting 3 days of battery life on a single charge so I don't see WiFi as a drain on my 8320.

[redliine]

Glad to see the wifi works with the 8320 in canada. I am selling my 8300, looking to buy a 8320 in the next week or so.

[beprahst]

Originally Posted by redliine

Glad to see the wifi works with the 8320 in canada. I am selling my 8300, looking to buy a 8320 in the next week or so.

Not sure how you are purchasing your 8320 and if upgrading to an 8310 is a less expensive option first, but I have a Want-to-trade posting out there...an 8320 for an 8310. Just an fyi.