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blackbelt · 12-12-2009, 09:41 PM

The phone is called the
Nexus One
Google by HTC Corp.,
runs Android
sold directly to consumers from Google's site

Genius Phones: Mobile Lab = Nexus One = Google Phone

What RIM Launches after the Bold 9700 will have to be really strong to compete. After they went for the consumer market with the Curve they made it clear that it wasn't just email, text and security....

rambo47 · 12-12-2009, 10:17 PM

I just don't think Android is ready yet. Not even with the much improved Android 2.1, a huge improvement over earlier releases. The question should be, "can Android catch up to RIM?" I think this Google phone is more of a competitor to the iPhone, not BlackBerrys.

blackbelt · 12-12-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rambo47

I just don't think Android is ready yet. Not even with the much improved Android 2.1, a huge improvement over earlier releases. The question should be, "can Android catch up to RIM?" I think this Google phone is more of a competitor to the iPhone, not BlackBerrys.

Your right, it may not be ready... But by Google cutting out the middle man with free email and lower priced Google Apps that thousands are switching too. THey now say %60 of Gov Agency's in the US. Would that Threaten RIM?

tbhuang2 · 12-13-2009, 02:04 AM

For the everyday consumer who favors entertainment/nice user interface and customization, RIM will never catch up to iPhone/Android.
All RIM cares about is the business/enterprise user, and it works. RIM just doesn't care about innovation for non-business users.
That is all.

blackbelt · 12-13-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tbhuang2

For the everyday consumer who favors entertainment/nice user interface and customization, RIM will never catch up to iPhone/Android.
All RIM cares about is the business/enterprise user, and it works. RIM just doesn't care about innovation for non-business users.
That is all.

On RIMs finacial statements more than half of the revenue is from the consumer market.
The pearl and now especially the curve are the best sellers. In fact the curve out
Sold the iPhone this year.

The colorful new 8530 highlights that

dc/dc · 12-13-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbelt

Your right, it may not be ready... But by Google cutting out the middle man with free email and lower priced Google Apps that thousands are switching too. THey now say %60 of Gov Agency's in the US. Would that Threaten RIM?

No Government agencies in the United States use Google Apps or Gmail for their business for security reasons, so no, it will not threaten RIM. I can speak with authority on that.

Please do not make posts like this without some knowledge of Government IT.

Dubdub · 12-13-2009, 08:56 AM

I cannot see the feds going to Android or Google Apps. Too many security risks. Now cities and towns strapped for cash might, but again to me that is doubtful as well.

I do not see RIM as trying to compete with Android either. Each have their followers and detractors.

Maybe Google will pick up some of the consumer market, but I doubt the business or government markets will switch in huge numbers. Maybe as a fad to try it out, bit most likely won't stay with it.

blackbelt · 12-13-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dc/dc

No Government agencies in the United States use Google Apps or Gmail for their business for security reasons, so no, it will not threaten RIM. I can speak with authority on that.

Please do not make posts like this without some knowledge of Government IT.

"Correction %60 of the worlds top brands" Gone Google - Each day, thousands of companies switch to Google's enterprise solutions

tsac · 12-13-2009, 11:27 AM

A friend has one and I found the touch screen flakey compared to the Iphone or Storm.
As stated before, security rules and with Google's track record of monitoring people's information including the emails or searches I donxxx8217;t think many businesses will ever move to these phones for mainstream use.
Search engine companies have always modified the advertizing content of the displays presented when your logged into their email service. Try an experiment, using Yahooxxx8217;s email service and send yourself and email. Change the subject line to various things like jewelry then tools, then what ever. You will notice the advertizing change each time. Still think your emails are private? Stay with the Blackberry.

Noodle22 · 12-13-2009, 01:43 PM

I notice that about yahoo, we had a discussion about it on yahoo answers, everyone posted the ads they saw. It was all different, the funniest was a 17 year old boy who was getting seniors alzheimers ad's haha.

And I think the phone looks long and weird. One of the reasons I didn't go with the iphone is the size.

dc/dc · 12-13-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbelt

"Correction %60 of the worlds top brands" Gone Google - Each day, thousands of companies switch to Google's enterprise solutions

I can believe that...

hrbuckley · 12-13-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dc/dc

I can believe that...

Until they wake up the the problems of putting your crown jewls in the cloud.

blackbelt · 12-13-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hrbuckley

Until they wake up the the problems of putting your crown jewls in the cloud.

I think the great part of the market don't have that great of security concerns.

Also think about it. Most small BES shops don't have the Security budget that Postini uses with Google. The large corps definitely don't need the cloud. But the larger market(where the money is) won't care. Over 2 million have switched over already.

hrbuckley · 12-13-2009, 10:35 PM

The issues with the cloud are not limited to security, but running software on you're own hardware doesn't necessarily improve security. Being unconcerned with your data security doesn't mean you are risk free. Also, just because a lot of people use it, doesn't mean it provides adequate security, only that the users believe it does, or are willing to compromise. Facebook claims 350 million users, for example.

Noodle22 · 12-14-2009, 09:35 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if things have happened or will happen that don't really come out into the media either. It would have to be a big thing for it be reported. My fear is we won't hear about security issues and they will not be made public.

The power of google

TXLady · 12-14-2009, 09:44 AM

I just switched my personal device from a Storm 2 to a Droid. I think Android is great for consumers. I love mine. But my work phone is a Tour.

I just don't see Android as being a viable option for business use at this time. I can afford to play around with it for personal use but for work, I need something that is stable and a known quantity. Android is not there yet. Maybe someday, but not now.

takeshi · 12-14-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbelt

new Google phone - Nexus One confirmed will bb keep up?

This type of question is on every single device forum. If you're asking it, IMO, you haven't researched the options well enough. Each device has its own pros and cons. Even looking at the current selection of Android devices versus Blackberries there's "catching up" required on both sides if you're comparing them and expecting them to be competitive with each other.

A more realistic view IMO is to weigh the strengths and weaknesses of each platform and how those play into your needs/wants. Android isn't for everyone. BB isn't for everyone. iPhone isn't for everyone. Fanboys will, of course, claim otherwise and spout that their choice is the best. Take any such claims with a grain of salt.

I really like the Android platform but its Exchange support (even with apps) isn't up to par with a BB on BES IMO.

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Originally Posted by hrbuckley

Until they wake up the the problems of putting your crown jewls in the cloud.

Again, pros and cons to each option.

blackbelt · 12-14-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dc/dc

No Government agencies in the United States use Google Apps or Gmail for their business for security reasons, so no, it will not threaten RIM. I can speak with authority on that.

Please do not make posts like this without some knowledge of Government IT.

The City of Los Angeles. Starting today, Los Angeles will be equipping 34,000 city employees with Google Apps for email and collaboration in the cloud.

dc/dc · 12-14-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbelt

The City of Los Angeles. Starting today, Los Angeles will be equipping 34,000 city employees with Google Apps for email and collaboration in the cloud.

My statement was true when I made it.

Please provide me a link that states that the city Government is completely replacing their existing enterprise systems with Google. I could believe that they will augment their system with Google, but not replace it.

blackbelt · 12-14-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dc/dc

My statement was true when I made it.

Please provide me a link that states that the city Government is completely replacing their existing enterprise systems with Google. I could believe that they will augment their system with Google, but not replace it.

See Article Official Google Enterprise Blog: Why the City of Los Angeles chose Google

Official Google Enterprise Blog: Google Apps and Government
Dedicated Google cloud for government customers in the US. Today, we're excited to announce our intent to create a government cloud, which we expect to become operational in 2010. Offering the same services and features as our existing commercial cloud (such as Google Apps), this dedicated environment within existing Google facilities in the US will serve the unique needs of US federal, state, and local governments. It is similar to a "Community Cloud" as defined by the National Institute for Science and Technology. The government cloud will allow Google to manage and meet additional government policy requirements beyond FISMA.

Official Google Enterprise Blog: Google Apps and Government
NASA's Ames Research Center to hear Vivek Kundra, the CIO of the US Federal Government, announce the launch of Apps.gov. Apps.gov is an online storefront that makes it easy for federal agencies to browse and purchase cloud-based IT services from a variety of service providers, including Google. The cloud is coming of age, and we applaud the Obama Administration's efforts to ensure our government realizes its many advantages.

addition the ones below:

Conrad Cross, the CIO for the City of Orlando. Conrad is leading the migration of all 3,000 city employees from Lotus Notes/Domino to Google Apps, including the Police and Fire departments. Facing software license renewals, major upgrade costs, and a 12% reduction in staff, it was the right time for the City to consider other options. For half the cost of the alternative, Orlando is jumping onto Google's innovation curve and freeing up IT resources to focus on more important efforts.

The New Mexico Attorney General’s Office has a similar story. Its 120 attorneys and 200 full-time employees use Google Apps for email, archiving, and document management.