[jibi]

Originally Posted by DallasFlier

Sorry, jibi, but Sprint CEO Gary Forsee begs to differ with you:


And unless you're going to call the CEO of Sprint "math-impaired", note he says that rollout will launch in late 2007 and be completed in late 2008, not the 2012 or 2013 that you said. And he *did* refer to it as "4G", so don't fault posters here with calling it 4G and quoting dates much earlier than you argued.

Link:

Sprint Nextel Goes To The WiMax

aye. i don't consider the Wi-Fi extensions as a 'generation' in cellular technology. if they want to role it out as such, then i suppose it's up to them to call it by same name. however, and once again, we're alienating cellular standards for the sake of VERY little gain in speeds (2-3mpbs range real-world). in terms of cellular 4G, we'll see it implemented in Japan first, then Korea (or at the same time), then the CDMA networks here.

[jibi]

Originally Posted by Jagga

@DallasFlier, I tend to side with Jibi on his opinion of 4G.

Just do a quick Wiki search and you'll see no HUGE mention that its defined by WiMax ... that press announcement was for stock holders and contracted manufacturers alike. Its the choice Sprint is going with late next year. Still, its interesting that Verizon is ahead with EVDO rev. A while Sprint is just beginning to launch.

He's correct. Sprint is releasing WiMAX by the end of 2007 and 2008 and calling it a 4G initiative. In the traditional sense of cellular generation conventions, they are incorrect in doing so. But if the industry is evolving, then by all means.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by Jagga

@DallasFlier, I tend to side with Jibi on his opinion of 4G.

Just do a quick Wiki search and you'll see no HUGE mention that its defined by WiMax...

Well, side with who you will, but the CEO of a major cellular carrier is a fairly good source to quote - arguably better than any poster on an internet forum, with all due respect to jibi here. And as for your contention regarding Wiki and WiMax references, you didn't look very carefully, did you?

Originally Posted by 4G article on wikipedia.org

According to a Visant Strategies study (quoted in Wireless Week on February 1st, 2006), there will be multiple competitors in this space, and gave the following projections:

* WiMAX - 7.2 million units by 2010
* TD-SCDMA - 100 million subscribers (in China) by 2010
* Flash-OFDM - 13 million subscribers in 2010
* UMTS FDD - Valued at $2 billion in 2010

Wiki 4G article

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by jibi

First off, there is NO standard called G4 in the wireless industry. There is a VERY recent 4G technology standard, but that does not stand to be released into a production-ready market for another FOUR years (2010 for the math-impaired) - that is in Japan by NTT DoCoMo.

jibi, you're also a bit outdated on the info you quote regarding NTT DoCoMo and their rollout of 4G:

Originally Posted by FAQ about DoCoMo 4G

3. When will 4G (broadband) mobile communications being introduced in Japan?

Initially DoCoMo planned to introduce 4G services around 2010. Recently DoCoMo announced plans to introduce 4G services from 2006, i.e. four years earlier than previously planned.

Link:

4G FAQ

[jibi]

Go figure. The 4G standard that DoCoMo will be rolling out has yet to even be finalized, but okie dokes... spectrums were still up in the air and a few other lasting things, last I looked. Possibly not deal-breakers, so I guess your article may be right. Been a while since I've looked at it, as we won't be seeing that side of 4G for a while, imo.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by jibi

Go figure. The 4G standard that DoCoMo will be rolling out has yet to even be finalized, but okie dokes... spectrums were still up in the air and a few other lasting things, last I looked. Possibly not deal-breakers, so I guess your article may be right. Been a while since I've looked at it, as we won't be seeing that side of 4G for a while, imo.

Yep, definitely agree on that - even if DoCoMo begins rollout by yearend in Japan, we won't see *that* 4G technology here for "a while", as you say.

[foner]

I love when we all kiss and make up.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by hmm

Plantronics Discovery 655 works very nicely with mine.

There's no such thing as a "Plantronics Discovery 655" and the BlackBerry 8100 isn't out yet. But your 655 works very nicely with your 8100, huh? That must be some good stuff you're smoking!

[kwang98131]

what do you mean when you say there in NO plantronics discovery 655..?? cuz its avail on ebay.


"Plantronics Discovery™ 655 Bluetooth® Headset

Will this work with my existing phone?
Make I don't know AUDIOVOX BLACKBERRY DELL ERICSSON FISIO HANDSPRING HEWLETT PACKARD HTC KYOCERA LG (LUCKY GOLDSTAR) MOTOROLA NEXTEL(MOTOROLA) NOKIA PALM PALMONE PHILLIPS FISIO QUALCOMM SAMSUNG SIEMENS SONY SONY ERICSSON Model(Select Make First) The Plantronics Discovery 655 Bluetooth headset fuses cutting-edge technology with a sleek, ultra-light and discreet design to deliver a mobile experience unlike any other. With Digital Signal Processing (DSP) – the latest in audio technology – the Plantronics Discovery 655 reduces noise levels to provide enhanced sound for clear conversations. It weighs only 9 grams and comes with an innovative charging system and secure carrying pocket that provides up to 10 hours of talk time and includes a unique vibrate ring indicator. The Plantronics Discovery 655 sets the standard for style, mobility and performance

Product Features:
-Digital Signal Processing for crystal clear sound
-Sleek, stylish design for discreet connectivity
-Ultra-light and comfortable at only 9 grams
-Innovative charging pocket with vibrate ring alert
-Easily recharge from your PC"

Currently available on ebay for $80 or $90 and up

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by kwang98131

what do you mean when you say there in NO plantronics discovery 655..?? cuz its avail on ebay.

Well, I didn't check eBay, but before posting that message I doublechecked the Plantronics website to make sure I hadn't missed something, and there's no such thing on their own website, which should be a better source than eBay. <shrug>

[kwang98131]

yah so far it sounds liek it hasnt come out yet.. but somehow available on ebay.. and the official plantronic page lists for $149

link to plantronics...

plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat1150057/cat5420035/prod5560005;jsessionid=KIAEP0DZLAZF0CQBGNUSFEYKAEZ WQIV0

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by kwang98131

link to plantronics...

Thanks, I stand corrected. How did you find that page on the Plantronics site? I went to "Mobile" then to "Bluetooth" where it supposedly lists all the Bluetooth headsets, and its not there.

Looking at the specs, I'm thinking this doesn't look like any improvement at all over my 645. Only the cosmetics have changed, and it ships with a lot less flexibility in terms of attachments for charging options.

[jibi]

Originally Posted by foner

I love when we all kiss and make up.

don't worry, football is coming soon and i'll get to laugh at DallasFlier's team for a good bit of the season (...and if they don't win the North, ooooooh boy!)

[John Clark]

I've been waiting for a device like this....I haven't made the jump to the 8700 because I figured something else would come out. The question was asked about the phone reception and clarity but it was never answered. Is the phone on the 8100 as clear as the 8700?

[Jagga]

Originally Posted by DallasFlier

Well, side with who you will, but the CEO of a major cellular carrier is a fairly good source to quote - arguably better than any poster on an internet forum, with all due respect to jibi here. And as for your contention regarding Wiki and WiMax references, you didn't look very carefully, did you?



Wiki 4G article

Wow, I guess this is a day of DAMN I stand corrected; but only half way in this case. The shear numbers doesnt give WiMax much of a chance.

# TD-SCDMA - 100 million subscribers (in China) by 2010
# Flash-OFDM - 13 million subscribers in 2010

Thats quite a bit more than 7.2 million units by 2010; and again that doesnt mean subscribers ... so this is a skewed number that will be split by providers offering it to physically stationed consumers as alternative to Cable/DSL Internet axis, etc NOT only for cellular providers ... so I'm sorry Sprint is the only one officially announcing it thus far from what I can remember.

Things change though. We all didnt expect HSDPA this quick 3-4 yrs ago.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by jibi

don't worry, football is coming soon and i'll get to laugh at DallasFlier's team for a good bit of the season (...and if they don't win the North, ooooooh boy!)

Well, its true we BETTER win the North this year, that I'll agree with. As for laughing, I understand that standards and expectations are a little higher for us than for you. After all, Nebraska has won FIVE National Championships since the last time Auburn won one (their only one, 1957 was it? Since I was a 3 year old tyke at the time, I confess I don't remember THAT far back.)

[kwang98131]

yah i just found it through a link i beleive by goign through engadget adn they linked me to that official page. but it says "COMING SOON" whatever that means cuz its on ebay.

[adamlau]

With a few color and balance corrections for improved clarity:

[hmm]

Seeing as I have both in front of me, I would suggest you rethink your sarcastic comments...

Go back to Fort Worth and water your cattle!!!

Originally Posted by DallasFlier

There's no such thing as a "Plantronics Discovery 655" and the BlackBerry 8100 isn't out yet. But your 655 works very nicely with your 8100, huh? That must be some good stuff you're smoking!

[hmm]

In my opinion 8100 is better

Originally Posted by John Clark

I've been waiting for a device like this....I haven't made the jump to the 8700 because I figured something else would come out. The question was asked about the phone reception and clarity but it was never answered. Is the phone on the 8100 as clear as the 8700?