[ArgonNJ]

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

And at the same time, for better or worse, Apple/Jobs is in war with Adobe where Apple appears to have made the first strike. Not good.

Also, if you all remember, Apple was in not that good a shape not that many years ago. They are one of the few technological companies that came back from the edge. In reality Apple, RIM, LG, Motorola, and the others are always one major technical disaster from financial problems. I view Palm as the walking dead at this point. Sort of a zombie phone if you will.

A change in government policy, either here or overseas, could have a major negative impact on the future of various suppliers of electronic toys. This includes Apple. Witness the ban on iPads in Israel for violating the laws for Wi-Fi energy levels. This may be the real reason that Apple has decided to not launch the IPad outside the US until later due to their superior engineering group not being able to understand that a product has to meet the rules of country before it can be imported. I guess being able to read and comprehend is not part of the employment pre-exam at Apple.

At some point RIM might go belly up, but then Apple and the others may very well be buried in the same technology cemetery.

You couldn't have been anymore anti Apple if you tried.

[TBOLTRAM]

Hum, lets see. Both of my college kids have Apple Mac Pro 13 inch laptops which I bought. The wife has an iPod and I just bought a iMac 27 inch i7. Does that sound anti-Apple?

I am an electrical engineer and I deal with the inter-country code issues all the time. My comment is based on what I have to do at my job. It appears that the engineering department at Apple was not doing their job. This is not anti-Apple, but a observation of reality. The engineering manager of the iPad project should be terminated with cause over this little problem.

I have a very strong issue with the iPhone. It is only available from at&t which is a poor service provider in many of the locations that I visit for work. How do I know this? I have lent out my Verizon/GTE phones for the last 15 or so years to owners of at&t and Sprint phones. Again I deal with reality and that is why I have a BlackBerry.

I suggest you revisit your opinion and deal with reality.

[TBOLTRAM]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

This entire thread reminds me of deja vu.

Didn't we meet him in a bar in Mexico?

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by gadgetfanatic

If you line up an iPhone, a Droid, a HTC Desire and a BB and give a regular smartphone user a choice they probably ain't gonna choose the BB.

That's just plain ignorant, too.

IF you've ever read any techblogs or smartphone financial blogs -- or heck, even this forum OR even this one thread, you'd know that BlackBerry is still the largest selling smartphone.

And for the record, I probably spend more money on Apple products than anyone in this thread (or even a few of you combined) in my personal business.

I am not anti-Apple.

I am anti-ignorant trolls.

[wabbit]

Wirelessly posted

Originally Posted by dualsub2006

It's called jailbreaking and it is very easy. There isn't anything out there app wise worth having that makes jailbreaking worthwhile IMHO, but you can still do it if you want to.

If you want Linux on a phone get an Android device. Best mobile Linux available.

Sorry, this is just a stupid and totally baseless comment. I CAN do everything that I WANT to do on my iPad and iPod Touch WHEN I want and HOW I want.

Here are some factual ways in which RIM won't let you do what you want to do, how or when. I WANTED a better browser for my BB and RIM said not available. I WANTED better memory management so that my calendar entries wouldn't get deleted. RIM didn't think that was a good idea. I WANTED more memory to install more apps and RIM said nah. I WANTED a bigger, higher resolution screen and RIM said no. I WANTED a higher quality camera and RIM said no. I WANTED better media management and RIM thought not. I WANTED better integration with Gmail and gCal. RIM wouldn't do it.

I wanted the iphone to live a day out with normal usage unfortunatly unless every where you go has an iphone charge the pos is not portable unless you wish not to make calls. I would write more but from the jailbreaking comment shows how ignorant you are

[wabbit]

Wirelessly posted

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ

Huh?? Not selling, weird. They are selling plenty with more on the way. You must be drinking the same thing as Mike.

And by the way, HTC, which makes lots of touch screen phones is doing quite well.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...profits-681882

wow. Htc was for the longest the only android phone mfg it was a touch screen and what they sold 600k for the fist year of the g1. Oh right tmobile. Ever owned a htc. Solid outside build touchflow is such a piece of s*** its not even everywhere. Hd2 looks great on paper go play with it. Its still junk with better hardware then the iphone you pray too that can't last a work day with out hitting up a charger 2-3 times during 8 hrs

HTC is what in that pile of other phones in smart phone marker. Yeh they are real big. Lol.

Nokia #1 market share
RIM #2
Apple #3
Other samsung htc and motocrap and lg yeh they dominate a fad over touch screens. Lol

On a side note I have yet known anybody with in a year time still own the original iphone they purchased.

[Noodle22]

I think the argument that the iPhone does not sell as well based on the fact that it is only through AT&T in the US should be null and void. The sales reports we see are world wide, and it's sold by the four major carriers in Canada, it only had exclusivity with Rogers for one year.

[monkeypaw]

I've been in and out of RIM stock since before it got to $100 on the way up. The first earnings conference call I listened to was the worst conference call I've ever heard. Only one of the CEO's was on (didn't know they had 2 until later) and he did a terrible job in the Q&A. Couldn't put a coherent answer together so others on the call (CFO and someone else I think) would jump in.

That was when I figured it was a company run by engineers, so decided to ride the stock while I could, but get out if it turned south. Luckily got out into the $110's and $120's, but was stupid enough to try to get back in at points, and have given some profit back.

I've been impressed by the recent advertising campaign, but I doubt that came from the top. I'm pretty sure someone lower is driving the marketing.

So while I'll put down money on the phones, I'm less willing to invest in the company. Things like these comments from the CEO make me wonder if they'll make the right choices at some decision points. They sell nearly 6 times as many phones now as 2007 (37 million vs. 6.5 million units), but the stock has done poorly. The market doesn't seem to think their growth rate will continue to be so high. It's actually a relatively cheap stock, but if the CEO is belittling touch screens it takes a lot of growth options off the table. A whole lot of the world doesn't use the Roman alphabet.

[dualsub2006]

Originally Posted by wabbit

Wirelessly posted
I wanted the iphone to live a day out with normal usage unfortunatly unless every where you go has an iphone charge the pos is not portable unless you wish not to make calls. I would write more but from the jailbreaking comment shows how ignorant you are

Name calling is sure sign of a weak mind.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by dualsub2006

Name calling is sure sign of a weak mind.

what name calling?

here let me help you out

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lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
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uninformed; unaware.
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clearly you're ignorant of what i was saying. stating that jailbreaking is how to load an os onto the iphone. i just call it how i see it. i would break that post down way more but i was on wap and after reading your ignorance i have no urge to continue. nor do i care to make this into apple vs blackberry vs another thread. the fact is less it has an apple logo touchscreens dont sell.

most of them from htc, samsung, even nokia are clumsy they dont sell. nokia is losing market share, htc is the first android phone mfg, and yet has been doing touch screen winmobile for years yet they are not selling, android gave them a little profits, since they dont have to LOL LICENSE or buy the os! HELLO PROFITS!

htc has how many android phones? 5-6 ? still not even close to the market share apple has even with apple locked to att? and certain carriers....


touch screens are not that popular less they have an apple logo, its a fad like tamogachi.

[BeachBum71]

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

And, of course, because members of the iCult know what's best for everyone else.

Non replaceable batteries
No Flash video

Never ever question the leader.

From personal experience, add this:

Without the apps the iPhone is just an iPod touch, only it makes and receives calls. I tried mine for two weeks without apps, couldn't do anything.

I'll stick with RIM!

[unclefester]

Coming from a student majoring in business, RIM is run by some of the stupidest people alive at the moment. If RIM wants any sort of chance in the smart phone market, they need to actually look at what makes other companies successful and stop brainwashing themselves into believing facts that they make up. If they were really smart, they would continue upgrading the storm, and produce another entry-level device like the 8520 with more features. They're leading the Blackberry market right now.

[SteveO86]

Originally Posted by unclefester

They're leading the Blackberry market right now.

?? They are the BlackBerry market.

I can't say I agree with the thought of making lower end devices, some people need higher end devices.

[unclefester]

Originally Posted by SteveO86

?? They are the BlackBerry market.

I can't say I agree with the thought of making lower end devices, some people need higher end devices.

The release of the 8500 series drove Blackberry sales up. Therefore the phone is a success. Blackberry's sales isn't a matter of opinion, it is numbers. I've noticed a lot more people around campus/everywhere I go have Storms and Curve 85XXs instead of Bolds and 8900s. I also never said that making higher end devices was a bad idea. I'm just saying that they need to pay attention to their customers' wants. If you look at it from a business standpoint, they cover a few different submarkets, and depending on how you break those submarkets up, you can see it as higher-end smartphones and lower-end smartphones. I think that they not only need to focus on their higher-end market, but also improve on their lower-end market, which at the moment is flourishing.

[SteveO86]

I'm not saying the lower end devices were unsuccessful, I was just stating forgetting about higher end devices would be a mistake.

Also the 8900 Curve should be considered a lower end device considering it's lack or 3G especially since it was released after the 9000 if I remember correctly.

[ArgonNJ]

Originally Posted by BeachBum71

From personal experience, add this:

Without the apps the iPhone is just an iPod touch, only it makes and receives calls. I tried mine for two weeks without apps, couldn't do anything.

I'll stick with RIM!

??????

[SteveO86]

Think I said the same thing

[dualsub2006]

Originally Posted by wabbit

what name calling?

you are = name calling. Simple.

Originally Posted by wabbit

clearly you're ignorant of what i was saying. stating that jailbreaking is how to load an os onto the iphone.

I didn't say in response to that question that you jailbreak to install an OS. In fact, in response to your question about wanting to "dumb linux on it" I suggested that you get an Android phone.

You do lack a basic understanding of the jailbreaking benefits though. You CAN install a new OS after jailbreak and you DO jailbreak if installing a new OS is what you want to do. An OS like iPhone OS 4b2 if you happen to have it. Guess I'm not so ignorant after all. And yes squire, I know you would like to install some vaporware version of Linux on the iPod/iPhone but it doesn't even exists in a meaningful and useable way. That makes your point, well, pointless.

Originally Posted by wabbit

most of them from htc, samsung, even nokia are clumsy they dont sell. nokia is losing market share, htc is the first android phone mfg, and yet has been doing touch screen winmobile for years yet they are not selling, android gave them a little profits, since they dont have to LOL LICENSE or buy the os! HELLO PROFITS!

htc has how many android phones? 5-6 ? still not even close to the market share apple has even with apple locked to att? and certain carriers....


touch screens are not that popular less they have an apple logo, its a fad like tamogachi.

Wow. Just. Wow. The person that typed this incoherent mess called me ignorant.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by dualsub2006

you are = name calling. Simple.

I didn't say in response to that question that you jailbreak to install an OS. In fact, in response to your question about wanting to "dumb linux on it" I suggested that you get an Android phone.

really you quoted it, i did not know that jailbreak gave me phone radio controls, gave me actually a loader to push an os on to the phone, and other functions.

what i do know is jailbreak allows me to be not bound to apples app store and adds 2 or 3 different methods of installing apps.

You do lack a basic understanding of the jailbreaking benefits though. You CAN install a new OS after jailbreak and you DO jailbreak if installing a new OS is what you want to do. An OS like iPhone OS 4b2 if you happen to have it. Guess I'm not so ignorant after all. And yes squire, I know you would like to install some vaporware version of Linux on the iPod/iPhone but it doesn't even exists in a meaningful and useable way. That makes your point, well, pointless.

read the above post.

Wow. Just. Wow. The person that typed this incoherent mess called me ignorant.

i like my run on sense tyvm.

[dualsub2006]

Originally Posted by wabbit

really you quoted it, i did not know that jailbreak gave me phone radio controls, gave me actually a loader to push an os on to the phone, and other functions.

Once again, you have changed what you originally wrote, and you are mixing my responses to your 2 distinct questions. Go back and read what was asked by you and then my response. I did not suggest jailbreaking in response to your original question about a different OS. If you wanted to "dumb Linux on it", I suggested an Android device.

Originally Posted by wabbit

reallywhat i do know is jailbreak allows me to be not bound to apples app store and adds 2 or 3 different methods of installing apps.

And allows you to install a new version of the iPhone OS. Oddly enough if you jailbreak you can also now install a new dual boot version of Android for iPhone. It is a very early alpha, but I understand it works quite well.

Originally Posted by wabbit

reallyread the above post.

i like my run on sense tyvm.

I'm not surprised at all.