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07-25-2008, 10:09 AM
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or... not use beta software if you are going to be mad if something breaks. Beta means possible issues at any point. Wait for production release if it makes you mad. it is not right to be mad at RIM for a bug in beta software.
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07-25-2008, 10:16 AM
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Beta or not, that is rediculous considering the possible outcome lol. Thanks for taking one for the team and letting us know!
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07-25-2008, 10:19 AM
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Beta or not, that is rediculous considering the possible outcome lol.
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How is it ridiculous considering it is a beta? I could see it being called ridiculous if it were a final release. It is a beta for a reason. |
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07-25-2008, 10:20 AM
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or... not use beta software if you are going to be mad if something breaks. Beta means possible issues at any point. Wait for production release if it makes you mad. it is not right to be mad at RIM for a bug in beta software.
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...agreed. its the op fault for not backing up in conjunction with using an os that isnt completely tested out.
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07-25-2008, 10:21 AM
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get a WM device. They're not secure.
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LLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
That was great!
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07-25-2008, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by angryuser7
1) I am not complaining about the secure delete (well.... a little. I am a consumer and don't really need such secure corporate-driven data features. I'd also love to be allowed to have a 1 or 2 letter password.)
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Get a WM device. They are not secure
PRICELESS!!!!!!
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07-25-2008, 10:33 AM
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Beta or not, that is rediculous considering the possible outcome lol.
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How is it ridiculous considering it is a beta? I could see it being called ridiculous if it were a final release. It is a beta for a reason. |
Yea you're right about the beta thing but I'm basing this off of my programming experiences. Granted I've never programmed for a phone.. But the only difference should be with the GUI.
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07-25-2008, 10:47 AM
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I just tested this on a BlackBerry 8300 w/ OS 4.5.0.52
It won't let you type a 3 char password.
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07-25-2008, 11:00 AM
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It's also unstarred when creating it.
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When setting the password, it is not un-starred. The only time you can see what you're typing in the password field is when you've gone past 6 or so attemps and you can then see the actual characters.
But not when you're creating it.
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07-25-2008, 11:10 AM
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1) Yes it was a beta. And yes I understand that I then take risks. I'm not trying to sue RIM here, I just still think it is one hell of an awful bug.
2) I upgraded to 4.5.0.52 this morning before restoring my month old backup.
3) I think the bug still exists in 4.5.0.52, which is NOT a beta. I don't want my device to rewipe so I haven't tested it out for sure, but when you pick a password you have to enter it twice. If I enter "qq" the first time it will tell me the password cannot be a sequence. If I enter "qqa" it will ask me to reconfirm. I chose not to try.
Therefore, jonberry, can you tell me if on your device it won't let you type qqa as a password the first time it asks, or does it fail after reconfirming? If it won't let you do it the first time, I'm thoroughly confused. How can two 8300's with the same OS behave differently?
4) Regarding the WM crack, I don't care about security I care about functionality. I like blackberry's because for the most part they work pretty well. I still think RIM should allow any password at all. For the non BES corporate crowd, it's a big inconvenience to the point of making people less secure. I have many friends who just don't have a password on their personal, not work related devices, because it's just too damn inconveniant. Myself usually included (which is why qqa was such a great easy password!). a 2 letter password is more secure than no password, and the BES folks can always just enforce a longer password requirement.
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07-25-2008, 11:12 AM
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When setting the password, it is not un-starred. The only time you can see what you're typing in the password field is when you've gone past 6 or so attemps and you can then see the actual characters.
But not when you're creating it.
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I just double checked to make sure I am not crazy. On my device when creating a password it is 100% not starred out.
I wish there was any easy way to just take a video and show all of you... |
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07-25-2008, 11:13 AM
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Search for JL_Cmder or BBScreen. You can take a screen shot of your device and post it.
EDIT: Here is where you can find JL_Cmder: How do I wipe the BlackBerry using Jl Cmder? - BlackBerryFAQ
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07-25-2008, 11:14 AM
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Just restore from your last backup. It's not fun to have your BB wiped, but then again that's one reason why they sell so well: security.
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07-25-2008, 11:31 AM
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Just restore from your last backup. It's not fun to have your BB wiped, but then again that's one reason why they sell so well: security.
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Maybe in the BES corporate sphere, and in the past, but RIM is shifting targets.
The curve, pearl, bold, kickstart, etc. are all very much consumer devices. And they are aggressively expanding to the consumer market. Nearly every person 15-30 in NY or LA has a blackberry now. Most of these people don't REALLY care if their data falls into the wrong hands. They just like the qwerty keyboard and bbm. Not that I don't like security, I just wish more of these things were options to be enforced by your IT dept, not RIM.
And I'd like to reiterate that there is a bug in DM 4.5/4.3 that was preventing me from backing up the other day. |
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07-25-2008, 11:34 AM
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Search for JL_Cmder or BBScreen. You can take a screen shot of your device and post it.
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I was going to take a screenshot with BBScreen for you (JL looked a little confusing), but it requires both the RIM SDK and a Java SDK. Don't really want to install 500 mb of stuff just to get this javaloader.exe file so BBscrenshooter will work.
Can anyone back me up here instead that when creating a password it is not starred out for them either? |
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07-25-2008, 11:38 AM
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JL_Cmder is very easy to use, and a very small program.....
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07-25-2008, 11:55 AM
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JL_Cmder is very easy to use, and a very small program.....
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It also required javaloader.exe but I found the file on google without installing the 2 SDK's.
Check the attached image |
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07-25-2008, 11:59 AM
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angryuser, please take this in the way it was intended... but if you can't use JL_cmder, I don't think you will pass muster on the BB OS so well. Jl_cmder is a very small, simple application which does not require any other program to run.
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07-25-2008, 12:32 PM
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angryuser, please take this in the way it was intended... but if you can't use JL_cmder, I don't think you will pass muster on the BB OS so well. Jl_cmder is a very small, simple application which does not require any other program to run.
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JL_cmdr is a batch file that manipulates JavaLoader.exe. So it does require a separate program to run. However, I believe the author packages JavaLoader.exe, a file from RIM's Java SDK, into his installer package.
Also, as you can see in the post above yours, I've already used it to take a screenshot.
Thirdly, it had to be run as administrator to install properly on Vista. And I don't think the Blackberry OS is so complicated that my lack of initial desire to install a large SDK for a file that I was unaware was repackaged into this program points to an inability to "pass muster" on the BB OS. Especially when discussing a bug that is 100% present on my Blackberry, I'm not typing anything in wrong, so if you are suggesting it is perhaps some inability on my end that is causing these problems....
Well, I don't feel the need any longer to try and convince any of you. I don't know why there are these discrepancies, but on MY 8300 4.5.0.52 phone, creating a password is not starred out, I can make a 3 letter password, and the phone will then not accept it. |
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07-25-2008, 12:59 PM
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I was going to take one for the team, but this might just be limited to the 8300.
It was the first model of the series (i.e. rushed out) and there really aren't that many of those floating around. I don't recall exactly, but it was maybe only 2-3 months before the 8310 came out and replaced the 8300 at AT&T. I held off on the 8300 to let them work out the launch bugs, and before you know it 2 new models in the series came out.
I tried on my 8320 on .52 and it wouldn't take three letters. JL_cmdr hangs while trying to take that error message, but it says: "The password that you typed is way too short."
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