[yaderhey]

Last dumb question, I swear ...

Is my AT&T Blackberry 8700 capable of 3G? It appears to be using EDGE, which from what I understand, is slower than 3G service (though I live in an area that allegedly has AT&T 3G service).

My old Verizon Blackberry 7130 used Verizon's version of 3G, I think. And that was an older model.

Is there a setting I should change?

Thanks in advance.

[ezrunner]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8800/4.2.1 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

No there are no current BBs that will use ATTs 3G network

[Sith_Apprentice]

EVDO is not 3G. It is about 2.5G. According to RIM their 3G specification is simulataneous voice and data transmission. There is a 3G blackberry overseas (8707), the 8320 and 8120 all fall under this category.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

EVDO is not 3G. It is about 2.5G.

Nonsense.
EVDO is definitely 3G. Not sure where you heard it wasn't... but it's wrong.

[Sith_Apprentice]

Originally Posted by penguin3107

Nonsense.
EVDO is definitely 3G. Not sure where you heard it wasn't... but it's wrong.

*points up to his post* According to RIM, no, no its not.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

*points up to his post* According to RIM, no, no its not.

You're confusing EVDO with EDGE.
EDGE is not 3G. EVDO is.

[Sith_Apprentice]

not confusing it at all. Just saying what the 3g clafication is in terms of RIMs definition. Simultaneous voice and data is the clarification of 3g development from RIM. And not to cut this short but I am done debating this EVDO may be considered 3g by other manufacturers (though I am unsure if any consider rev0 as full 3g) but RIM defines simultaneous voice and data as 3g.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

not confusing it at all. Just saying what the 3g clafication is in terms of RIMs definition. Simultaneous voice and data is the clarification of 3g development from RIM.

The ability to have simultaneous voice and data is merely one facet of some 3G networks. Perhaps you're misunderstanding what you are reading.
You can have a 3G network without simultaneous voice & data capabilities. EVDO is an example of that.

[shona67]

Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

EVDO is not 3G. It is about 2.5G. According to RIM their 3G specification is simulataneous voice and data transmission. There is a 3G blackberry overseas (8707), the 8320 and 8120 all fall under this category.

Yes EVDO is 3G. Here is a link from Wikipedia.

Evolution-Data Optimized - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Dreskills]

We still don't have it!!! Thats all I am concerned with. Sprint uses EVDO right? Do the BB's on Sprint use EVDO?

[Sith_Apprentice]

all CDMA from the 7130e on use EVDO.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by penguin3107

The ability to have simultaneous voice and data is merely one facet of some 3G networks. Perhaps you're misunderstanding what you are reading.
You can have a 3G network without simultaneous voice & data capabilities. EVDO is an example of that.

Penguin, you're not paying attention very well. Sith_Apprentice said that RIM defines 3G to require simultanteous voice and data transmission. So it would seem that if you disagree, you need to go argue with RIM, not with Sith - he is just giving you RIM's definition.

[Sith_Apprentice]

hey no need to bring that up again, its done, over, we disagree, makes life interesting lol. i appreciate trying to clarify but not really necessary

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by DallasFlier

Penguin, you're not paying attention very well. Sith_Apprentice said that RIM defines 3G to require simultanteous voice and data transmission. So it would seem that if you disagree, you need to go argue with RIM, not with Sith - he is just giving you RIM's definition.

Please show me RIM's definition.
I will gladly take up my dispute with them.

[Sith_Apprentice]

call em and ask for education outreach. thats where the information comes from. Well a couple people in R&D too, but you cant really get in contact with them.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by penguin3107

Please show me RIM's definition.
I will gladly take up my dispute with them.

I'm not going to go find RIM's definition, I'll leave that for you. Here's another one you better go correct though:

Overview

3G technologies enable network operators to offer users a wider range of more advanced services while achieving greater network capacity through improved spectral efficiency. Services include wide-area wireless voice telephony and broadband wireless data, all in a mobile environment. Typically, they provide service at 5-10 Mb per second.

3G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I haven't yet seen any EV-DO claims for 5Mb+ speeds, another reason why its often referred to as 2.5G or 2.75G. I don't dispute that its referred to as 3G by some though - but that's far from universally held.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by DallasFlier

3G - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have another look at the right side of the page you just linked to.
More specifically... have a look at where EV-DO is listed on the right.
Yes, it's listed in the 3G category, right below CDMA2000.

Additionally... the text you quoted as the word TYPICALLY in it.
Typically does not mean it's a requirement. It just means that it might be typical.

Believe what you may. I will believe what I will.
I'm still enjoying my Curve with EDGE and personally couldn't care less about 3G anyways.

[DallasFlier]

Originally Posted by penguin3107

Have another look at the right side of the page you just linked to.
More specifically... have a look at where EV-DO is listed on the right.
Yes, it's listed in the 3G category, right below CDMA2000.

Additionally... the text you quoted as the word TYPICALLY in it.
Typically does not mean it's a requirement. It just means that it might be typical.

Believe what you may. I will believe what I will.
I'm still enjoying my Curve with EDGE and personally couldn't care less about 3G anyways.

Ditto on that! As I said, I know EV-DO is sometimes referred to as 3G - seems to be one of those "gray areas" that some call one thing, some call another. As long as you don't take away my 10Mb broadband here, I'm pretty happy with EDGE on the BB - although I'm sure I could learn to like 5Mb+ on it someday too. But if it means the battery lasts half as long, then I might not like it, we'll see!

[Worm]

haha, nothing like arguing over semantics, however, if we must I'm with the penguin :D

3G is a GSM term aimed at the layman and should not be applied to a radio access technology other than UMTS.

cheers

Worm

[Sith_Apprentice]

heck if we wanted to actually argue semantics, 3g is an arbitary term for the third generation network structure. Analog, Digital, 1xRTT/GPRS would be the third generation network in this country lol. Everybody hold your blackberries and start singing Coombaya....