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Old 09-25-2007, 10:26 PM   #21
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You should reverse these -- you're losing any bandwidth shaping benefit of the T-Mo router by plugging it in behind the older router. Place your T-Mo router at the perimeter/edge and make Jr's network on the old router a subnet of it. The way you have it now, any explosions by Jr. will kill your network - isolate him out in the sub-zone and your bandwidth shaping will still work when he decides to download all his porn.
Speaking of which... has anyone published a QoS guideline for those of us who might want to optimize our own equipment instead of adding more? My home network is already ridiculous in the amount of devices... 1 Sprint/Linksys router, 1 cisco 2800 ISR router, 1 dsl modem, a couple of switchs, a cisco ATA... I'm running out of wall space!

I'd like to know what traffic to prioritize to benefit UMA at home and in the office. I'm talking about ports and protocols, not locking down an IP or interface....
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You should reverse these -- you're losing any bandwidth shaping benefit of the T-Mo router by plugging it in behind the older router. Place your T-Mo router at the perimeter/edge and make Jr's network on the old router a subnet of it. The way you have it now, any explosions by Jr. will kill your network - isolate him out in the sub-zone and your bandwidth shaping will still work when he decides to download all his porn.
Ahh ya, makes sense... I might do the switch-a-roo tomorrow when Jr in skool.... I was in a rush as he got Halo3 and was drooling to play it...
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:42 PM   #23
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I'd like to know what traffic to prioritize to benefit UMA at home and in the office. I'm talking about ports and protocols, not locking down an IP or interface....
It seems that the UMA QoS method used is WMM Voice Priority, which relies upon a priority queue number being encoded in the packet. This website has some fantastic whitepapers that might get you started:

http://www.smartbridges.com/educatio...les.asp?id=423
http://www.smartbridges.com/educatio...les.asp?id=518

I haven't done anything yet, not being to terribly interested in the UMA feature at this point; I am/was after data wifi more than UMA.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:26 AM   #24
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I've installed my new tmo linksys router and problem solved, thanks everyone!!!
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Old 09-26-2007, 09:38 AM   #25
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I've installed my new tmo linksys router and problem solved, thanks everyone!!!
maybe this is a generic issue with belkin routers, my n router had the same issues as you. once i moved to the tmo linksys I was good
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:26 PM   #26
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maybe this is a generic issue with belkin routers, my n router had the same issues as you. once i moved to the tmo linksys I was good
Yup now my belkin router will be collecting dust.
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Massive issues here.... Went with a wired cable modem as default and added the D-Link T-Mo wireless router... All is good now
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:19 AM   #28
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Buffalo WHR125G /w DD-WRT firmware.

DD-WRT is quite possibly the best thing to have REGARDLESS of what router you have. It takes all your routers features to a new level PLUS adds some cool ones too.
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I have a D-Link Xtreme N router ( DIR-655 ) and was noticing breakups in voice while on UMA. Since the T-Mobile system does not just use basic SIP, I don't think the router has the ability to know I am trying a voice connection...

I added a WISH setting for the phone and it got rid of the garble. First, go to Status/Internet Sessions in your router's configuration. You should see your phone connecting to port 4500 and 500 at one IP address, for me, at IP 208.54.3.1.

Next, go to Advanced/Wish in the router config. I named the entry T-Mobile VOIP. Set priority at VO (Voice.) Protocol is UDP. I set the IP range (both host 1 and 2) to 208.54.3.1-208.54.3.255. This might not be necessary, but I figure I might sometimes connect to other IPs in the range. I set host 1 port range to 4500-4500 and host 2 to 500-500. Make sure that the rule is enabled with the check in front of it and make sure that WISH is enabled at the top of the page. Also make sure WMM is enabled in Advanced/Advanced Wireless. I am running firmware version 1.05 on the router.

My friend has a WRT54GS running Thibor's firmware. I enabled WMM and set his phone's MAC address as highest priority and he seems to have no issues with clarity.

I hope all of this is correct.

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IMy friend has a WRT54GS running Thibor's firmware. I enabled WMM and set his phone's MAC address as highest priority and he seems to have no issues with clarity.
The T-Mobile UMA (in theory any UMA) uses WMM Voice Priority, which is based on a priority bit being added to the packet. If you shape your QoS around your WMM having greater precedence everything should be 100% smooth sailing.
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Next, go to Advanced/Wish in the router config. I named the entry T-Mobile VOIP. Set priority at VO (Voice.) Protocol is UDP. I set the IP range (both host 1 and 2) to 208.54.3.1-208.54.3.255. This might not be necessary, but I figure I might sometimes connect to other IPs in the range. I set host 1 port range to 4500-4500 and host 2 to 500-500. Make sure that the rule is enabled with the check in front of it and make sure that WISH is enabled at the top of the page. Also make sure WMM is enabled in Advanced/Advanced Wireless. I am running firmware version 1.05 on the router.

I hope all of this is correct.

Chris
Hi Chris, that sounds similar to what I did with my DIR-655 (fw 1.05) too, except that I configured it to favor my phone's IP.

First, my phone is sometimes connecting to 208.54.4.* so your 3.1->3.255 settings won't cover that.

Second, the Help screen on Wish says it is to help wireless transfers to other computers. It talks about helping wireless transfers from a PC to a Media Computer which isn't what is happening here. But, it could still have some impact if it helps doing some prioritizing that goes over and above the WMM setting. (WMM appears to change the way that packets are transmitted so it also helps, but perhaps at a different level than the Wish prioritizing so it couldn't hurt to set up both). Personally I did set up some Wish rules (differently than you - see below), but I wasn't sure if they helped beyond the existing WMM and other QoS settings.

Next, if you read closely the Host 1/Host 2 ranges represent the IP range of "one computer" to "the other" so by setting both IP ranges to the same, you've done a lot to help T-Mobile's servers talk wirelessly to each other via your router, but I don't think that would be happening. Instead you need to set Host1 to be one computer/port and Host2 to be the other computer/port. In other words, Host1/Port1 would represent the IP and ports used by your phone and Host2/Port2 would represent the IP and ports of the destination.

Finally, there are also QoS settings which represent priority going into and out of the router. These are the settings that talk about VOIP in the help screens while the Wish settings talk about helping things like communication between a PC and your Media Center in your home. I think both have a role here, so I set up both QoS and Wish rules.

Here was my technique (and some reasoning):

First, I do static IP reservations for all of my devices so I can access and track them without having to figure out what their IP is. For my technique it would be better if you reserved an IP for it.

Second, I set up 2 Wish rules with Host1 being my phone's IP and Host2 being open (all IPS from all 0s t all 255s). I didn't want to worry about T-Mobile changing the IP addresses of their servers later so by targetting my phone's IP address (over which I have control) instead of the T-Mobile IPs the rule should last better. I used these same IP ranges for 2 different Wish rules and set up one Wish rule for port 500 on both sides and the other for port 4500 on both sides. (See second pic below.)

Finally, I also set up 2 QoS rules similar to the above since this helps prioritize the router's use of the WAN connection to my broadband. I used a priority of 64 to make it lower than the default priority of 128, but not too low. In retrospect maybe a priority of 1 would be best. (See first pic below.)

Before when I looked at the Status>Internet Sessions my phone's connections were prioritized around 130 or so against a default of 128 - now they are prioritized at 64. Also, before when I looked at Status>Wish Sessions my phone's connections were prioritized as BE for Best Effort and now they are prioritized as VO for Voice.

I tested the configuration by starting a download and making a call and it seemed fine, but it wasn't a very exhaustive test. I need to set up multiple downloads that take more than a few seconds and see if the priorities keep up the voice quality for a longer time.
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Any router should work just fine. I use the Apple Airport IEEE 802.11n (Apple - 802.11) and my 8320 works great with it! I now use it both for data and 8320-VoIP.
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:36 AM   #33
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I'm using a Netgear MIMO Rangemax WPN824 with great results.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:13 AM   #34
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I updated the firmware on my Verizon westell router and its been working alot better. However, I went ahead an ordered the T-Mo router anyways since you cannot beat the price, FREE (after rebate)
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Second, I set up 2 Wish rules with Host1 being my phone's IP and Host2 being open (all IPS from all 0s t all 255s). I didn't want to worry about T-Mobile changing the IP addresses of their servers later so by targetting my phone's IP address (over which I have control) instead of the T-Mobile IPs the rule should last better. I used these same IP ranges for 2 different Wish rules and set up one Wish rule for port 500 on both sides and the other for port 4500 on both sides. (See second pic below.)
Any reason to not just select "Any" in the protocol box (instead of UDP), which allows all ports to be prioritized? Then you would only need one rule....
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Any reason to not just select "Any" in the protocol box (instead of UDP), which allows all ports to be prioritized? Then you would only need one rule....
The phone only uses UDP on those ports (according to the Internet Connections monitor page on my router) so "Any" wouldn't add anything. The reason I have 2 rules is because it uses both port 500 and port 4500 and I wasn't sure which was the important one to prioritize so I made 2 rules - one for each port.

I could have used just one rule that covered the entire port range from 500 to 4500, but I don't want to open anything that I don't need or use a wildcard for anything that I have narrowed down. I also have a pair of rules under both QoS and under Wish and that may be overkill as well. If I get a lot of time on my hands some day (ha!) I may try to narrow it down to QoS or Wish.

Other posters have indicated that 4500 is the primary port to target so I may delete my 500 port rules eventually, but I don't see any need to configure for TCP or "Any protocol"...
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Thanks, flar. I also ended up setting up port forwarding on 500 and 4500 because I saw in my logs that the router was blocking pings from t-mobile's servers on port 4500... Hopefully this will help take care of my UMA connection frequently dropping...

Are you noticing anything similar?
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Thanks, flar. I also ended up setting up port forwarding on 500 and 4500 because I saw in my logs that the router was blocking pings from t-mobile's servers on port 4500... Hopefully this will help take care of my UMA connection frequently dropping...

Are you noticing anything similar?
I just checked my logs and don't see anything about ports 500 or 4500. There are a lot of log entries though. Unfortunately I don't have time right now to run a test using UMA to see if anything gets generated during the call - I'll try to remember to come back later with new info...
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I was on a long UMA call tonight and didn't see anything show up in the logs as being blocked either "to" my Curve's IP or "from" any host in the 208 range that it usually connects to for UMA...
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I am using the D-Link DIR-655. Outperformes the T-Mob ones.
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