[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by arjunrc

This is the reply I got from google/gmail team (I am about to try it)

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

To fix the problem you've encountered, please follow these steps:

1. Delete your existing Gmail POP profile from your Blackberry POP settings.
2. Create a new Gmail POP profile, and do not leave messages on Gmail's server.
3. Log in to your Gmail account at mail.google.com, and click 'Settings' at the top of any Gmail page.
4. Open the 'Forwarding and POP' tab, and select 'Disable POP.'
5. Click 'Save Changes.'
6. In the same tab, now select 'Enable POP only for mail that arrives from now on.'
7. Click 'Save Changes.'

After following the above steps, please try to download mail onto your Blackberry again. If you still have trouble, please respond to this message, and we'll investigate further.

Sincerely,

The Google Team

I'm skeptical about #2. Sounds like they think your using BIS 1.8 (do not leave mesages on Gmail). Maybe you'll get lucky. Keep us updated.

[arjunrc]

Originally Posted by whsbuss

I'm skeptical about #2. Sounds like they think your using BIS 1.8 (do not leave mesages on Gmail). Maybe you'll get lucky. Keep us updated.

You are correct I had my doubts about #2 as well - seemed to reflect the old 1.8 model. It does not work on BIS 2.x since we are never given the option to 'delete mails on server' and it is a push email not pop.
I've responded to them. Next time, I'll try before I post

regds
arjun

[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by arjunrc

You are correct I had my doubts about #2 as well - seemed to reflect the old 1.8 model. It does not work on BIS 2.x since we are never given the option to 'delete mails on server' and it is a push email not pop.
I've responded to them. Next time, I'll try before I post

regds
arjun

As we expected.... keep at it.

[BERDucky]

i read that and it sounds more like they think BlackBerry is the name of an email client - like Outlook

[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by BERDucky

i read that and it sounds more like they think BlackBerry is the name of an email client - like Outlook

You right. BIS 2.x talks about instant push email for those providers who support it. If you notice with Yahoo and now Gmail, when you configure them in the BIS interface, there's no need to provide anything beyond address and password. So there's something RIM configures in the BIS for instant push. I'm also sure there's an app that the provider has to talk over a port to the BIS for email notification.

So google hosted domains are not part of this feature (@gmail.com). I think google would have to request RIM to provide push configuration for the hosted domain on their network.

[jungleland]

Originally Posted by whsbuss

You right. BIS 2.x talks about instant push email for those providers who support it. If you notice with Yahoo and now Gmail, when you configure them in the BIS interface, there's no need to provide anything beyond address and password. So there's something RIM configures in the BIS for instant push. I'm also sure there's an app that the provider has to talk over a port to the BIS for email notification.

So google hosted domains are not part of this feature (@gmail.com). I think google would have to request RIM to provide push configuration for the hosted domain on their network.

EXACTLY! I wonder if we can somehow manually enter the settings that BIS seems to do automaticaly for GMAIL. That way, we might be able to handle the GOOGLE hosted email problem...

[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by jungleland

EXACTLY! I wonder if we can somehow manually enter the settings that BIS seems to do automaticaly for GMAIL. That way, we might be able to handle the GOOGLE hosted email problem...

I don't think we can. I'll bet its a setting only RIM has access to in the BB hosted mailbox on the BIS.

[teemo]

Also another interested gmail hosted user that would love to see this work. For the past several months I've been using a filter set that mimics the push of a blackberry so no major biggie if this doesn't work for hosted, although the reconciliation feature would be nice among other things.

[jungleland]

Originally Posted by teemo

Also another interested gmail hosted user that would love to see this work. For the past several months I've been using a filter set that mimics the push of a blackberry so no major biggie if this doesn't work for hosted, although the reconciliation feature would be nice among other things.

Also, with the new BIS, you cannot reply as the address it was forwarded from, you must reply from the hand held address...Kind of annoying ....Other than that, I absolutely love using google for my hosted email...

[chinatti]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone with the new "gmail push" seen the recent delays that have plagued Yahoo/BIS2? See the other thread if you're interested, but I've been seeing delays of minutes -> hours (sometimes lots of hours) for messages sent to Yahoo before they show up on the BB. I'm seeing bunches of messages all show up together - the BB timestamps are all the same, but the message times (once I open the message) reflect the time the message really arrived.

I'm curious if this is a Yahoo-only issue or not.....

[antb]

I don't know what the final verdict on this was because I didn't read the whole thing - I was searching for another answer - but what I did see I can comment on:

if I cc my blackberry.net email address when testing my gmail address (which is now setup as pop instead of forwarding), I get the gmail faster... so if that's not push, i don't care - it's faster than my blackberry.net push

I can also reconcile and all that perfectly fine.. the problem I'm having is getting the sent mail feedback loop everytime I send an email. I don't have auto bcc on, I don't have gmail set to send anything back.. what's the proper setting, please?

thanks

ant

[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by antb

I don't know what the final verdict on this was because I didn't read the whole thing - I was searching for another answer - but what I did see I can comment on:

if I cc my blackberry.net email address when testing my gmail address (which is now setup as pop instead of forwarding), I get the gmail faster... so if that's not push, i don't care - it's faster than my blackberry.net push

I can also reconcile and all that perfectly fine.. the problem I'm having is getting the sent mail feedback loop everytime I send an email. I don't have auto bcc on, I don't have gmail set to send anything back.. what's the proper setting, please?

thanks

ant

The only way to prevent sent email reaching your BB is to set a filter in the BIS for your gmail account. Create a filter called SentMail, the From rule with your gmail address, and do not forward to your BB.

[antb]

Originally Posted by whsbuss

The only way to prevent sent email reaching your BB is to set a filter in the BIS for your gmail account. Create a filter called SentMail, the From rule with your gmail address, and do not forward to your BB.

yah thanks - got the tip from someone before seeing this..works great

[teemo]

Originally Posted by jungleland

Also, with the new BIS, you cannot reply as the address it was forwarded from, you must reply from the hand held address...Kind of annoying ....Other than that, I absolutely love using google for my hosted email...

Set your BIS "sent from" address as your gmail hosted one. Works fine for me.

[jungleland]

Originally Posted by teemo

Set your BIS "sent from" address as your gmail hosted one. Works fine for me.

That option no longer exists...

[BERDucky]

yes it does - it's just "reply to" now - changes sent from and reply tp

[jungleland]

Originally Posted by BERDucky

yes it does - it's just "reply to" now - changes sent from and reply tp

OH MY..How wrong that is...First of all he said "SENT FROM ADDRESS" ...the sent from address and the reply to address are two totally different things. Some people don't want their email to come from @R$#$#.blackberry.net, like me...Again, that functionality is not available...

[tmedina]

Quote:
Originally Posted by whsbuss
The only way to prevent sent email reaching your BB is to set a filter in the BIS for your gmail account. Create a filter called SentMail, the From rule with your gmail address, and do not forward to your BB.


I've tried this -- several times -- and it works for a while, then stops working -- now, once again, I receive a copy of EVERY message I send through GMail, whether it orginates on the BB or a PC. No matter what I do I can't get this filter to remain before all other filters with T-Mobile. It shows up on the top of the list when I edit it, but then if I go back in, it's last on the list. Suggestions?

[whsbuss]

Originally Posted by tmedina

Quote:
Originally Posted by whsbuss
The only way to prevent sent email reaching your BB is to set a filter in the BIS for your gmail account. Create a filter called SentMail, the From rule with your gmail address, and do not forward to your BB.


I've tried this -- several times -- and it works for a while, then stops working -- now, once again, I receive a copy of EVERY message I send through GMail, whether it orginates on the BB or a PC. No matter what I do I can't get this filter to remain before all other filters with T-Mobile. It shows up on the top of the list when I edit it, but then if I go back in, it's last on the list. Suggestions?

Not sure why T-Mobile does this. I'm on Verizon's BIS and since I set it a month ago its been fine.

[fluxin]

I have hosted gmail working. First I enabled pop in my hosted account (for all mail received from now) then I entered my username and password in BIS. It fails asking to set it up manually. I select POP/IMAP enter in my address, as username as password as password pop.gmail.com as the mail server, and I enable SSL. Realtime push is now working for my gmail hosted domain. I checked, it is pushing the email.