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mriff 03-28-2009 10:43 AM

Kathryn, you've seen my posts talking about Ken Miller. Here is his webpage if you are so inclined. He has a very interesting take on evolution. And as I've mentioned, he was a lead witness for the plaintiffs in the Dover case.

Ken Miller's Evolution Page

Dawg 03-28-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1335468)

I have defended my stance that relates to this thread. You are the one has not proven that i evolved from an ape thats what i want you to prove to me.

mriff 03-28-2009 04:45 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/...20246690_o.gif

Becoming Human

79.06.02: Hominid Evolution

Welcome to the Hunterian Museum and Art Gallery

Hominid Evolution, Australopithecus afarensis africanus anamensis, Homo sapiens neanderthal neandertalensis heidelbergensis antecessor ergaster erectus rudolfensis habilis, Paranthropus boisei robustus aethiopicus, Ardipithecus ramidus, Hominid speci

Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Early Hominin Evolution:* Menu of Topics

Human Evolution: The fossil evidence in 3D

Evolution: Humans: Humankind (I like this reference in particular)

Human Evolution Archaeology human origins hominid species images

Streaming video : Hominid evolution and development : Nature

A Brain for All Seasons: Human ... - Google Book Search

Evolution of the Brain: Creation of ... - Google Book Search (Looks fascinating. I'll buy this one to read.)

The Riddled Chain: Chance ... - Google Book Search

Human evolution: an illustrated ... - Google Book Search

The fossil evidence for human ... - Google Book Search

Hominid evolution: past, present ... - Google Book Search

Eve spoke: human language and human ... - Google Book Search

The Human Pedigree: A Timeline of Hominid Evolution: Scientific American

Hominid Species

Human evolution - A look at human origins through species profiles and hominid imagery

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mriff 03-28-2009 05:35 PM

Let me google that for you :smile:

mriff 03-29-2009 06:27 AM

This Newsweek article combines not only science and reliion, but also politics. I must say that I enjoyed reading it.

Hitchens: Why Texas Is Right on Teaching Evolution | Newsweek Culture | Newsweek.com

I thought this paragraph was particularly interesting. And it is true that scientists can and have predicted what fossil they may find in a certain area and certain layer of sediment based on evolution and plate tectonics. If you don't believe that, google a book calld 'Your Inner Fish'.

It's not just that the overwhelming majority of scientists are now convinced that evolution is inscribed in the fossil record and in the lineaments of molecular biology. It is more that evolutionists will say in advance which evidence, if found, would refute them and force them to reconsider. ("Rabbit fossils in the pre-Cambrian layer" was, I seem to remember, the response of Prof. J.B.S. Haldane.) Try asking an "intelligent design" advocate to stipulate upfront what would constitute refutation of his world view and you will easily see the difference between the scientific method and the pseudoscientific one.

mriff 04-02-2009 07:20 PM

This is a update/aftermath to the TX school board vote on science standards. From the National Center for Science Education. A setback for public school students as far as I'm concerned.

A setback for science education in Texas | NCSE

mriff 04-02-2009 08:01 PM

This is interesting on many levels. Comments?

97 – Where (and How) Evolution Is Taught In the US Strange Maps

djm2 04-03-2009 10:24 AM

I am embarrassed is the simple comment that I will make. In today's world this is simply not acceptable.

mriff 04-03-2009 10:46 AM

Right. In large part, it is due to people like this. A misguided young earth creationist. Who is Chairman of the TX State Board of Education. I wish Gould were still alive so he could properly deal with this nut. He'd tear him to pieces. He doesn't realize that Gould's statis was not a day, but many tens of millions of years.

YouTube - Don McLeroy on Stephen Jay Gould and stasis

djm2 04-03-2009 11:07 AM

There was a link on that page to Genie Scott, patiently -- oh so patiently -- trying to explain matters to the board.

I imagine that the biology department at UT-Austin is simply not answering any emails from colleagues around the world. How could this happen in their state?

mriff 04-03-2009 11:56 AM

I watched the Genie Scott video as well. Oh so patient. That's her M.O.

All the universities in TX strongly opposed the school boards attempts to water down instruction on evolution. There were many letters written as well as those who spoke at the meetings. To no avail. Yes, it must be embarrassing to be a biology professor in that state.

mriff 04-03-2009 12:00 PM

According the definition of Scientific Theory, predictive power must be present. To get a good look at the predictive power of the Theory of Evolution, check out the story of Tiktaalik. Made famous by Neil Shubin.

Book Title: Your Inner Fish: A Journey Into the 3.5 Billion-Year History of the Human Body

Website: OBA / Faculty / Neil Shubin

Prior to 2004, paleontologists had found fossils of amphibians with necks, ears, and four legs, in rock no older than 365 million years old. In rocks more than 385 million years old they could only find fish, without these amphibian characteristics. Evolutionary theory predicted that since amphibians evolved from fish, an intermediate form should be found in rock dated between 365 and 385 million years ago. Such an intermediate form should have many fish-like characteristics, conserved from 385 million years ago or more, but also have many amphibian characteristics as well. In 2004, an expedition to islands in the Canadian arctic searching specifically for this fossil form in rocks that were 375 million years old discovered fossils of Tiktaalik.

mriff 04-08-2009 06:29 AM

This is an interesting article. More philosophy than science, but thought provoking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/op...=1&ref=opinion

I liked this line:

We are all the descendents of successful cooperators.

mriff 04-09-2009 08:04 PM

Meat for Sex
 
Guess it's not a real big surprise, eh? 8-)

Meat for sex? - SciTechBlog - CNN.com Blogs

djm2 04-10-2009 06:17 PM

No surprise at all! Get the bottle of cab out along with a filet.

mriff 04-13-2009 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by djm2 (Post 1349022)
No surprise at all! Get the bottle of cab out along with a filet.

Lol! That would be a little more advanced perhaps, than spearing a wooly mammoth. :smile:

mriff 04-13-2009 06:53 AM

I completely agree with this paper written by Eugenie Scott!

http://www.springerlink.com/content/...0/fulltext.pdf

mriff 04-21-2009 04:57 AM

I agree with THECB. Do you?

ICR sues THECB | NCSE

The Institute for Creation Research Graduate School filed suit over the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board's decision to deny the ICR's request for a state certificate of authority to offer a master's degree in science education. The complaint, filed on April 16, 2009, in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, named Raymund Paredes, the Texas Commissioner of Higher Education, and the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board and its members as defendants, in both their official and individual capacities, accusing them of imposing "an unconstitutional and prejudicial burden against ICRGS's academic freedom and religious liberties" (p. 63) and asking the court for declarative and injunctive relief.

kathrynhr 04-21-2009 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1359810)
I agree with THECB. Do you?

No.

If students can learn a subject, be tested on it, and apply it going forward... and it isn't against a law of some kind... then it is a legitimate form of education whether we agree with it or not.

Now, if no one wants to accredit said degree, that is another matter entirely. But to deny a private school the right to teach what they want and issue students with corresponding degrees is a First Amendment issue with me, pure and simple.

Dawg 04-21-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kathrynhr (Post 1359911)
No.

If students can learn a subject, be tested on it, and apply it going forward... and it isn't against a law of some kind... then it is a legitimate form of education whether we agree with it or not.

Now, if no one wants to accredit said degree, that is another matter entirely. But to deny a private school the right to teach what they want and issue students with corresponding degrees is a First Amendment issue with me, pure and simple.

agreed


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