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That and the fact that his constituents are mostly as nuts as he is.

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The really scary part is that people like that can reproduce. That is scary on at least three different levels.

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Bill Nye, in response to U.S. Rep. Paul C. Broun, R-Ga., a member of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. Video of Broun calling evolution and the Big Bang Theory xxx8220;lies straight from the pit of Hellxxx8221; went viral in recent days.

"He is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology."

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It is questionable if he can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Who, Bill Nye or Paul C. Broun? :razz:

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Dr. Who?

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Dr. Who would definitely side with Bill Nye...

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Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

Unbelievable. Way to go LA. Science organizations planning conferences are right to avoid your state.

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Damn third world countries.

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Wow... this thread is still going! :-)

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WB Katrhyn! How have things been? Still using the EVO?

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JS! How have you been?

Things are good. I am (drum roll) finishing up my first novel, and hope to submit it for publication in January. That's consumed all of my nonexistent free time for months. Otherwise things are the same as they've always been. Job, family, teaching Dave Ramsey classes at my church, voluntarily overextending myself and xxxxxing about it after the fact. All the typical Kathryn hobbies. :-)

Still using the EVO 4G. Extended battery, experimental OS. The last ROM I flashed was Mason-G-v0.14. That was back in August. I've been so happy with it I haven't touched it since.

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Wow, a blast from the past! Glad to hear from you Kathryn. Best of luck on getting your novel published.

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Couldn't resist.

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Many things frighten and confuse me. Coffee klatches, wild buffalo, Nancy Pelosi, charismatics, the baggage retrieval system at Heathrow...

I was under the impression that meant I was neurotic.

Thanks for clearing that up, mriff! (y)

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Lol. Can't help you with Nancy Pelosi. And I haven't had the pleasure of dealing with the baggage retrieval system at Heathrow! :razz:

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Interesting post. I would only offer that belief is the wrong word. I don't 'believe' in evolution, but I do understand the science that supports the Theory of Evolution. And there is an overwhelming body of evidence, otherwise, it wouldn't be elevated to a Scientific Theory.

And I agree, it is very clear that humans didn't evolve from apes, and no evolutionary biologist supports this notion. But it is quite clear that apes and humans had a common ancestor.

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I believe some human type are de-evolving and in a few years our politicians will look like apes.

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In a few years? Some of them are way ahead of the curve, T-bolt. :-(

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There is a difference between looking like and acting like . . .

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Here is a twist on the evolutionary discussion:

The state of our union is

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I'm amused by that link, but I disagree with the underlying premise.

The English language has reason and rules and rhythm, and when it is used fully and intentionally its beauty can bring me to tears. Yes, proper English is at risk as fewer people each year are learning to use it well. And, perhaps devilishly, I'm now firmly in favor of striking the word "like" from our lexicon completely... there are workarounds. :-)

However, language is a medium, not an end in itself. It is a tool for the exchange of ideas. If modern presidents want their ideas to be understood (and therefore accepted) by the general public - something that wasn't necessary before the advent of television - tailoring their message to the public's level of education is necessary.

Suggesting that governing language should be aimed at the well-educated is deliberately exclusionary. Most people aren't. Using language as a weapon against those whom it was designed to serve is undemocratic. Furthermore, deliberately ridiculing those whose only crime is their embrace of the speech patterns of their own time is at best elitist and pretentious. At worst, it is a sign that higher education has failed. The transformation of an open, seeking mind into a closed and bigoted one is a tragedy. And bigotry is a far worse malady than ignorance. The latter can be cured by education and opportunity; the former is a disease of the spirit.

To the extent that any speaker is understood by his listener, he has used language well irrespective of his word choice. There are people who are unwilling to accept that truth. In a fast-paced society where information is the primary currency, they risk being left behind.

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Edit to the above: I appear to be in the minority.

23% Of America Is Illiterate | Zero Hedge

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Wow. And she's a biology teacher.

Barbara Cargill on Evolution - YouTube

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And another one. Worse yet, he's a Senator.

Creationist Senator wants to know how to turn E. Coli into Humans - YouTube

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Ok, one more from the great state of TX. Two people who combined, know nothing about science, and are arguing over what the children of TX are taught in science class. It's mind boggling. At least to me.

Stealth Creationist Meets Open Creationist: Texas SBOE Chair Barbara Cargill and State Sen. Donna Campbell | TFN Insider

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We have our share of loonies in Texas and for some reason they all seem to gravitate toward politics. A rather disturbing thought.

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I feel the same way about Ohio. :oops:

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Interesting...

snopes.com: 4th Grade Science Quiz

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Ha! We've argued about this before, mriff, in this very thread! With regard to terminology:

I completely disagree. We certainly need better scientific education. On the whole, when it comes to all of the STEM fields, we are a nation of nitwits. However, as regards this article, the words in question all have multiple meanings and in every case the "correct" scientific meaning is the lesser used. The solution to such jargon management problems isn't better education about narrow use, it's a change of terminology.

For better or worse, the onus of clarity is always on the communicating party.

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Dang it. You're right. It's tough and I see where you are coming from. I don't know what the solution is. Maybe it's just making sure to respond every single time someone says "it's just a theory" with "yes, but it's a Scientific Theory and here's what that means". Or, we could just show the attached picture each and every time and be done with it. :razz:

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mriff, this is for you:

Stuart Firestein: The pursuit of ignorance | Video on TED.com

I loved it!

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Atheistic Elementary School Instruction Challenged - Pacific Justice Institute - Defending Faith, Family, and Other Civil Liberties

Then the alternative is to teach nothing. Students would be sitting in class for an hour looking around wondering why the teach was sitting in silence I guess. Bro, do you even Science?

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Kathryn, I have this bookmarked and will definitely check it out. :smile: (The wifi on the plane is too slow at the moment!)

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:smile:

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Evolution of the self:

The Social Life of Genes: Shaping Your Molecular Composition

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:razz:

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You talking about the turkey or Obama?

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Kinda one and the same lately...

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Just posing as a place holder. Can't let this tread die! :-) After all, it has evolved much since the first post. Wonder what ever happened to Dawg?

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He's looking for his doctor Obama said he can keep. No wait a minute that was a lie.

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Religion and politics in the same thread, this could get ugly

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I think that was mentioned back on the first page. And it did get quite ugly at times. It's an interesting read, all 29 pages.

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Ok another direction. There is a bill in congress to extend the terms of both the president and the other fools. Could see that coming.


Representative Jose Serrano (D-NY) introduced a bill Friday which would abolish term limits on the U.S. presidency. H.J. Res. 15 seeks to repeal the 22nd Amendment, and if passed would allow President Obama to become the first president since Franklin Roosevelt to run for a third term.

The bill has been referred to committee and officially states that it seeks "an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."

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It'll never happen.

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Agreed, it will never happen. And I frankly doubt that most people would want the job for longer than eight years.

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I saw this the other day. No clue why it is going viral.

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Must be the hat

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That was funny tsac. And jsconyer, I don't know why either. The arguments he rolls out are tired old lines from the Discovery Institute. None of them make sense. I especially like the old 'it breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics' idea. Yeah it might if the earth was a closed system. But anyone who has ever suffered through a sunburn knows that we don't live in a closed system. The most laughable line was something about it being 'just one dudes dudes theory'. One dude! That one dude was presumably Charles Darwin. And without the benefit of modern genetics, he was remarkably right. And of course he's been backed up by literally thousands of scientists in the last 150 years. So a wee bit different than 'one dude'.

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I very readable summary of objections from creationists and answers by 'evolutionists'.

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American

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BBC Told To Stop Giving Equal Time To Science Deniers | IFLScience

about time...

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Is this thread still evolving?

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The thread has a life of it's own!!!

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The selection process is still occurring.

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I was selected but no body knew what for or why. I am beginning to feel like Lunkhead. :cry:

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Speaking of the selection process, this article cropped up in my news feed and it reminded me of this thread (and of @mriff specifically):

What I Learned From Debating Science With Trolls

I'm sure he's felt this way more than once in this thread. :razz:

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Ok so the article helped understand Obama is still evolving into a president.
looks like he wont make it.

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I saw that too Kathryn! Pretty good article. Dawg used a few of those tactics in this thread. :razz:

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He still has two years! Better get with it. :?

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Once he's off vacation he will think about actually thinking about doing something or not. Or he can answer why he or nor anyone in his administration did not attend the funeral of the highest ranking officer killed in combat on his watch or he can continue playing golf on vacation.

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I think that's de-evolution.

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Sounds about right

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I thought it sounded sort of left.

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In break from NATO, Obama visits prehistoric Stonehenge | Reuters

hmm

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He had to, he was asked to make a decision and as we know that wont happen!

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The last time I read anything interesting about what Stonehenge actually represented it was suggested that it looked like a vagina if all the stones were in place. Does this mean O was trying to make some sort of symbolic statement?

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Don't worry he will go out on vacation again especially now that his latest ISIS plan
( idea or what ever he's calls it ) is falling apart. Turkey, Iran, Russia and a few others wont cooperate.

And Syria said no to bombing or drones

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Could just be out to lunch.

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He's out to lunch alright!!

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Take that scientists!

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Simple, he is the drunk inbred cousin.

Think about it.

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Can't let this one die. Although some others might like that! :-)

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I'm still trying to figure out how someone generates 55000 official emails and 31830 personal emails in less than four years in the position of Secretary of State.
65+ emails per day every day January 30, 2009 to February 1 2013

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About as trustworthy as a . . .

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Evolve.

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I keeps getting better.
Some say Bush spent more time o vacation and that may be so but it was 90% spent in his own ranch or on government property. The costs were minimal.

Obama has cost the taxpayers multi millions on trips and costs. His family even spent million's on lavish vacations.


read and weep.


Judicial Watch Obtains Records Revealing Obama’s $1,176,120.90 in Transportation Expenses to Attend Political Fundraisers in Los Angeles and San Francisco

Lavish fundraiser hosted by Hollywood star Gwyneth Paltrow marked Obama’s 30th fundraising visit to Los Angeles County, CA.

Judicial Watch: Air Force Documents Show President Obama Ran up $1,539,402.10 in Flight Expenses Alone for Labor Day 2014 Weekend Trips

After fundraising in Westchester, New York, Obama flew home to ‘spend the night in his own bed’ before returning for a wedding, running up to $295,227.80 in additional expenses.

Obama July Political Fundraising Trips to Denver, New York City Cost Taxpayers $1,159,823.50 in Flight Expenses Alone

U.S. Department of Air Force Headquarters Air Mobility Command records detail expenditures of $1,159,823.50 by President Obama in flight costs alone for his July 2014 fundraising trips to Denver, Colorado, and New York, New York.

Judicial Watch Obtains Documents: Secret Service Tab for Obama Family 2013 Africa Trip Cost Taxpayers $2,189,727.60 for Lodging, Entertainment, and Security

The Secret Service entourage accompanying President Obama and his family during their trip to sub-Saharan Africa from June 27 to July 3, 2013, incurred $2,189,727.60 in lodging, entertainment, and security expenses.

Judicial Watch Obtains Records Revealing Obama’s 2014 Palm Springs and Key Largo Golf Outings Cost Taxpayers $2,952,278 for Flight Expenses Alone

President Obama’s February 2014 Palm Springs, California, and March 2014 Key Largo, Florida, golf outings cost the taxpayers $2,952,278 for flight expenses alone.

Records Reveal Obamas’ Ireland Trip Cost Taxpayers $7,921,638.66


President Obama’s June 2013 trip to Belfast, Ireland, including a Dublin sightseeing side trip by Michelle Obama, her daughters, and her entourage, cost the taxpayers $7,921,638.66.

JW Obtains Docs from Secret Service Regarding Security Costs for Obamas’ “Date Night” in New York City

$11,648.17 in security costs related to President Obama’s “date night” with First Lady Michelle Obama on May 30, 2009 in New York City.

Judicial Watch Obtains Documents Revealing Cost of Barack and Michelle Obama’s Failed Bid to Bring 2016 Olympics to Chicago

Expenses for the two-week trip appear to have far exceeded $467,175, in light of the fact that costs associated with the aircrafts , two Boeing 747s and several Air Force cargo planes – have not been made available.

Judicial Watch Obtains Documents Revealing Obama 2013 Africa Trip and Honolulu Vacation Cost Taxpayers $15,885,585.30 for Flight Expenses Alone

The Obama family 2013-2014 vacation to Honolulu cost $210,877 per hour for travel alone; at 36.9 total hours, the cost to taxpayers for the vacation’s flight expense was $7,781,361.30

Obama, Biden Presidents’ Day Weekend Vacations Cost Taxpayers $295,437 According to Records Obtained by Judicial Watch

President Obama spent the Presidents’ Day Weekend (February 15-18) on a golf trip in West Palm Beach, Florida. First Lady Michelle Obama and her daughters spent the same holiday weekend on a ski trip in Aspen, Colorado. Vice President Biden and his family spent that weekend skiing in Aspen…

JW Reveals Obama’s 2013 Vacations Cost Taxpayers $7,396,531

Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained flight expense records from the U.S. Department of the Air Force revealing that President Obama incurred $7,396,531.20 in flight expenses alone for his 2013 vacations to Hawaii and Martha’s Vineyard and his trip to California to appear on the Jay Leno Show.

Judicial Watch Obtains Documents Detailing the Cost to Taxpayers for Michelle Obama’s Family Trip to Africa

On June 28, 2011, Judicial Watch filed a FOIA request seeking the mission taskings, transportation records, and passenger manifests for Michelle Obama’s Africa trip. Documents were only provided after Judicial Watch filed suit…

Malia Obama Vacations In Mexico With 25 Secret Service Agents

Keeping with the Obama family’s penchant for costly vacations, the president’s 13-year-old daughter enjoyed spring break in a country plagued by so much violence that the State Department has issued travel warnings to discourage Americans from going there.

Michelle Obama’s August 2010 Vacation in Spain Cost American Taxpayers $467,585 According to Records Obtained by Judicial Watch

Judicial Watch obtained documents from the United States Air Force and the United States Secret Service detailing costs associated with Michelle Obama’s controversial August 2010 vacation to Spain. According to a Judicial Watch analysis, the records indicate a total combined cost of at least $467,585.

Judicial Watch Sues U.S. Air Force for Records Detailing Costs of Michelle Obama’s August 2010 ‘Whirlwind’ Vacation to Spain

Judicial Watch announced that it filed a lawsuit on March 5, 2012, in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia against the United States Air Force to obtain records detailing Michelle Obama’s controversial August 2010 vacation to Spain. Overall, Judicial Watch is seeking information pertaining to the costs to taxpayers for this vacation as well as any indication of official business conducted by Mrs. Obama while she was in the country (Judicial Watch v. USAF (No. 1:12-cv-00345)).

Judicial Watch Sues Air Force and Secret Service for Records Detailing Michelle Obama’s Family Ski Vacation to Aspen, Colorado

Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Air Force and U.S. Secret Service (No. 1:12-cv-00866)) on May 31, 2012 against the United States Air Force and the United States Secret Service to obtain records detailing Michelle Obama’s February 2012 President’s Day weekend ski vacation to Aspen, Colorado with her two daughters.

Michelle Obama’s Family Ski Trip to Aspen, Colorado Cost Taxpayers at Least $83 Thousand Say Records Obtained by Judicial Watch

Judicial Watch obtained records from the United States Air Force and the United States Secret Service detailing Michelle Obama’s February 2012 President’s Day weekend ski vacation to Aspen, Colorado, with her two daughters.

2010 Marred By Debt, Waste, Costly Hawaiian Vacation

As U.S. taxpayers dish out millions for President Obama’s lavish Hawaiian vacation crushing year-end statistics reveal unprecedented government debt and a myriad of waste that should outrage all Americans.

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Who knows what we'll get next November. It could certainly be de-evolution.

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Right now I would vote for:

None of the Above

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Now Obama is trying to play down the speech Biden made to stop the Bush admin from appointing a Supreme Court justice. Biden said is was only fair to allow the new President to pick.

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out

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But I think the guy he picked is truly deserving. The repubs ought to go ahead and confirm him. He will be a lot better than whoever President Clinton will nominate.

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Agree, I think it's just something that over the years has become expected to allow the new president to make the call.

Hillary will probably nominate Julie McMahon, Bills girlfriend, to make her so busy he wont be able to see her. All though it could be any of his others.

Now think of this. If Hillary wins the White House she will have to sit at the desk where Monica was under during Bill's term

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I wonder who'll be under the desk then? (Sorry, it had to be said. :cry:)

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That comment sucks. :smile:

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Never thought of it like that.:razz:

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Devil with the Blue Dress On?

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My eyes just burned out:cry:

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You can't unsee that...

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I am more concerned about that smell.

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Eyes and nose shut down now!!!!!!!!!1

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Hey I wonder what the Trumpster thinks about evolution?

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Is that ~really~ believes or believes for the sake of the campaign? Perhaps both??

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I don't think he's smart enough either way.

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I would add something but my eyes , nose and ears are all gone after the last few posts so I cant read posts.8-):cry::?

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See no evil, smell no evil, hear no evil? Eh, what about feel some evil?

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This space for rent.