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mriff 03-11-2009 06:40 PM

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ndub33 03-11-2009 06:42 PM

How did you do that so fast? An EWU logo isn't exactly "national branding".

mriff 03-11-2009 06:43 PM

Google images my friend. And may I say that that is a highly evolved mascot.

ndub33 03-11-2009 06:44 PM

Possibly. But it looks like hell on a t-shirt. ;-)

dmead 03-11-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ndub33 (Post 1316553)
Just wanted to say that this has evolved into a thought provoking and very interesting discussion.


i just wanted to point out something in your post for shits and giggles.

ndub33 03-11-2009 06:47 PM

Wasn't intentional, but if it tickles a few of you, let it ride...

kathrynhr 03-12-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by djm2 (Post 1316534)
Good debate point JSanders.

Now this could degenerate into a discussion of what degree of training qualifies as "qualifying" one to discuss these matters as an expert vs. an interested observer -- that is the path that is potentially open.

I will be the first to say that by my standards I can only qualify as an interested observer. Do we have any PhD historians or political scientists, with a degree granted from an accredited university, who care to chime into this debate?

LOL. We are quickly disqualifying everyone from making any unsolicited comments.

At this rate, we will all eventually conclude that, due to passion, prejudice or lack of alphabet soup trailing after one's name, no one on this board is qualified to make any comment regarding any issue whatsoever.

8-)

Has anyone besides myself been to the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky? It's an interesting exercise.

About us - Creation Museum

Dawg 03-12-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kathrynhr (Post 1317138)
LOL. We are quickly disqualifying everyone from making any unsolicited comments.

At this rate, we will all eventually conclude that, due to passion, prejudice or lack of alphabet soup trailing after one's name, no one on this board is qualified to make any comment regarding any issue whatsoever.

8-)

Has anyone besides myself been to the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky? It's an interesting exercise.

About us - Creation Museum

We are taking a gtoup of kids there this summer while we are there on a mission trip

JSanders 03-12-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kathrynhr (Post 1317138)
LOL. We are quickly disqualifying everyone from making any unsolicited comments.

The old goose and gander problem.

Precisely the issue that a couple of posters continue to make which keeps others from expressing opinions.

kathrynhr 03-12-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 1317202)
We are taking a gtoup of kids there this summer while we are there on a mission trip

Make sure you go to the planetarium show. It's the best part. (y)

Also, take quarters with you. There is a petting zoo outside, and to feed the animals you need to put quarters in the dispensing machines.

djm2 03-12-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kathrynhr (Post 1317138)
LOL. We are quickly disqualifying everyone from making any unsolicited comments.

At this rate, we will all eventually conclude that, due to passion, prejudice or lack of alphabet soup trailing after one's name, no one on this board is qualified to make any comment regarding any issue whatsoever.

8-)

Has anyone besides myself been to the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky? It's an interesting exercise.

About us - Creation Museum


FWIW I intended that more along the lines of establishing that the vast majority of us are interested observers.

kathrynhr 03-12-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by djm2 (Post 1317442)
FWIW I intended that more along the lines of establishing that the vast majority of us are interested observers.

I understood you, and was being satirical. ;-)

mriff 03-12-2009 12:36 PM

Kathryn, I don't think you have actually stated your opinion on the topic at hand yet. Do you think creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools?

mriff 03-12-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JSanders (Post 1317203)
The old goose and gander problem.

Precisely the issue that a couple of posters continue to make which keeps others from expressing opinions.

Are you the goose or the gander? You also made that point. Very clearly. That I had no business discussing either history or political science since I haven't studied either extensively.

mriff 03-12-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1316186)
Here's some more food for thought for the crowd. Who do you think is most capable of designing a high school curriculum? Do you think that reading specialists should design the reading class curriculum? Do you think that math teachers should design the math curriculum? It seems to me that we would want people in the best position possible to have a large say in what is taught in each class.

If you agree that this is a good idea, then you will also agree that a person trained in science would be in the best position to design a good solid class curriculum.

If you think that this actually happens, you will be woefully surprised. It is not what happens in most school districts in this great country. Curriculums are designed be people who are untrained in the common diciplines for which they are greatly impacting.

Comments?

Not a single reply to this post. I'd really like to know everyone's opinion.

mriff 03-12-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kathrynhr (Post 1317138)
Has anyone besides myself been to the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky? It's an interesting exercise.

About us - Creation Museum

Never been. Anyone ever been to the Smithsonian Museam of Natural History? It is my natural history museam of choice.

Smithsonian Institution National Museum of Natural History NMNH

jsconyers 03-12-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1316186)
Here's some more food for thought for the crowd. Who do you think is most capable of designing a high school curriculum? Do you think that reading specialists should design the reading class curriculum? Do you think that math teachers should design the math curriculum? It seems to me that we would want people in the best position possible to have a large say in what is taught in each class.

If you agree that this is a good idea, then you will also agree that a person trained in science would be in the best position to design a good solid class curriculum.

If you think that this actually happens, you will be woefully surprised. It is not what happens in most school districts in this great country. Curriculums are designed be people who are untrained in the common diciplines for which they are greatly impacting.

Comments?

I do agree with this statement. I think that someone qualified to teach the class should be able to make the curriculum. That stands true for all subjects such as math, history, science, etc.

test54 03-12-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1317538)
Never been. Anyone ever been to the Smithsonian Museam of Natural History? It is my natural history museam of choice.

Smithsonian Institution National Museum of Natural History NMNH

I'm a big fan of the Museum of Natural History, although it's been years. I'm also a fan of the combo - Chicago Field Museum & Chicago Museum of Science & Industry, both excellent if anyone is in chicago.

JSanders 03-12-2009 01:12 PM

Since the governance of our schools still rests with the owners of the schools (the residents, taxpayers and voters), I do believe that the elected body responsible for that district should dictate how the curriculum is designed.

If that involves text book committees on which parents might be represented, then that is how "we" have set it up to work.

In most cases, the textbook(s) are recommended by the teacher or a teacher group at the state level, to a textbook review committee, on which parents will sit also, with input. They will recommend, for example, that a 6th grade history course will have 2-4 text books from which to choose, and state those choices. Then the local school district will make their choice.

So, the teacher still designs the 'curriculum' for their class, and as one knows, can teach whatever words they choose to come out of their mouth.

It is not as quite a horrific process as mriff makes it seem. Parents don't write textbooks (other than some extreme case; there is always an exception to the rule) and in most cases are given their due influence.

kathrynhr 03-12-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mriff (Post 1317520)
Kathryn, I don't think you have actually stated your opinion on the topic at hand yet. Do you think creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools?

Because many people believe in creationism, children will encounter it. Time permitting, the issue should be addressed. It's the responsible thing to do.


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