[LunkHead]

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Or *accidently* leave the front gate open... OOPPSS...

Think Castro will give them hugs?

Kris

[TBOLTRAM]

Eh, I don't think the Taliban likes Communists. If I remember my history there was a war between the USSR and the proto Taliban during the Carter and Reagen years. Anyone else remember it?

[Dawg]

Lunk looks like you have this battle front well in hand Ill let you hold it down.

[LunkHead]

Originally Posted by Dawg

Lunk looks like you have this battle front well in hand Ill let you hold it down.

Ya... The bleeding hearts will never get it... They'd rather see 1k killed than the person responsible be shot via firing squad... He should be given hugs, candy, and a chance to rehabilitate right? Ya, I agree, rehabilitation via a .229 shell casing....

[Dawg]

I was thinking .50 cal at long distance. that way no one but the other side gets hurt.

[TBOLTRAM]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

Ya... The bleeding hearts will never get it... They'd rather see 1k killed than the person responsible be shot via firing squad... He should be given hugs, candy, and a chance to rehabilitate right? Ya, I agree, rehabilitation via a .229 shell casing....

I am not a bleeding heart but I still think that Rep Wilson and his cronies should be tried for treason for giving aid and comfort to the proto taliban. The two combatants should have been allowed to kill each other off with minimum interference from the west.

[mriff]

From the New York Times (and reported broadly in the general press). It seems a former Guantanomo detainee is now a deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yememi branch. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007. Too bad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...n.html?_r=1&hp

[djm2]

Originally Posted by mriff

From the New York Times (and reported broadly in the general press). It seems a former Guantanomo detainee is now a deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yememi branch. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007. Too bad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...n.html?_r=1&hp

I don't want to push this too strongly, simply because none of us can truly know the causal ordering of this situation, but it would not strike me as impossible that he became Al Qaeda AFTER exposure to Gitmo. Assuming he was unjustly imprisoned (which again, I am not in a position to KNOW but let's assume it for the moment), I would suspect that he could get pretty PO'ed at the USA because of the wonderful experience in Gitmo.

[test54]

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

I am not a bleeding heart but I still think that Rep Wilson and his cronies should be tried for treason for giving aid and comfort to the proto taliban. The two combatants should have been allowed to kill each other off with minimum interference from the west.

a lesson not learned more recently. wel supplied the Taliban & Saddam during those times. Even supplied a young Osama

[mriff]

Originally Posted by djm2

I don't want to push this too strongly, simply because none of us can truly know the causal ordering of this situation, but it would not strike me as impossible that he became Al Qaeda AFTER exposure to Gitmo. Assuming he was unjustly imprisoned (which again, I am not in a position to KNOW but let's assume it for the moment), I would suspect that he could get pretty PO'ed at the USA because of the wonderful experience in Gitmo.

Damn, that's good. Your logic is sound.

[LunkHead]

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Originally Posted by djm2

I don't want to push this too strongly, simply because none of us can truly know the causal ordering of this situation, but it would not strike me as impossible that he became Al Qaeda AFTER exposure to Gitmo. Assuming he was unjustly imprisoned (which again, I am not in a position to KNOW but let's assume it for the moment), I would suspect that he could get pretty PO'ed at the USA because of the wonderful experience in Gitmo.

Highly doubtful he went from innocent / abused regular dude to terrorist leader that fast..

It does not happen that way...

To me at leat, the logic / argument that he became a terror leader because of treatment at Gitmo is seriously flawed..

One does not go from abiding citizen to terror leader in a matter of months...

My .02

Kris

[djm2]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

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Highly doubtful he went from innocent / abused regular dude to terrorist leader that fast..

It does not happen that way...

To me at leat, the logic / argument that he became a terror leader because of treatment at Gitmo is seriously flawed..

One does not go from abiding citizen to terror leader in a matter of months...

My .02

Kris

Perhaps. As I stated, I certainly do not know. I don't recall -- did the article make him out to be a leader or a terrorrist?

[test54]

well there are certainly hardened criminals, why not hardened terrorists.

[JSanders]

and hardened leaders.

[test54]

"President Obama's plans to expeditiously determine the fates of about 245 terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and quickly close the military prison there were set back last week when incoming legal and national security officials -- barred until the inauguration from examining classified material on the detainees -- discovered that there were no comprehensive case files on many of them.

Instead, they found that information on individual prisoners is "scattered throughout the executive branch," a senior administration official said. The executive order Obama signed Thursday orders the prison closed within one year, and a Cabinet-level panel named to review each case separately will have to spend its initial weeks and perhaps months scouring the corners of the federal government in search of relevant material."

"Evidence gathered for military commission trials is in disarray, according to some former officials, who said military lawyers lacked the trial experience to prosecute complex international terrorism cases.

In a court filing this month, Darrel Vandeveld, a former military prosecutor at Guantanamo who asked to be relieved of his duties, said evidence was "strewn throughout the prosecution offices in desk drawers, bookcases packed with vaguely-labeled plastic containers, or even simply piled on the tops of desks."

He said he once accidentally found "crucial physical evidence" that "had been tossed in a locker located at Guantanamo and promptly forgotten."

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

I'm sure they are really getting good info out of the detainees, it just might end up filed away in some unknown storage locker.

[Dawg]

I don't believe anything I read in a newpaper anymore other than the ads.

[gadgetfanatic]

I've been hearing the "close gitmo" hoopla for several years now and I have to ask....what in the world is wrong with having Gitmo??? It's a military prison meant to house enemy combatants and appears to do so quite well. What's the problem?

[Dawg]

The liberals dont agree with punishing the guilty

[gadgetfanatic]

Maybe they should let them move into their basement....

[test54]

dawg, we know you dont trust any media and don't like anything liberal. However McCain & Bush both also favored closing Gitmo.

gadget - how is no trials and plans to just hold people indefinitely "working well"? Its not like they are getting info from these people...
I agree that people need to be punished but if the Army is incapable of trying these people then something needs to change. There are plenty of top notch facilities that can house these prisoners and let the trials begin. Indefinite imprisonment is not a solution - if you want punishment then you have to be able to hold trials.