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Old 10-08-2008, 12:09 AM   #1
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I've searched the forums and the internet on this question and I just want to try to clarify before I starting purchasing CALs as I'm still a little unclear.

I am running BES for Exchange with an Exchange server.

If I have 60 Per Device Exchange CAL's. This will cover the users at their assigned workstations. If I give each user a Blackberry Device, I know I have to purchase Blackberry CAL's but do I also need 60 additional Per Device Exchange CAL's or does the BESAdmin account that is created, access these 60 accounts for BES?

I would see if I added Windows Mobile devices using ActiveSync, I would need 60 Per Device Exchange CAL's since each of these devices would actually log into Exchange with each users Username/Password.

Any help is appreciated.
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:18 AM   #2
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That's an interesting question, although I'm pretty sure you don't need additional Exchange CALs for each user's device.

The BES Agent accesses each user's mailbox and distributes the mails accordingly. The question I guess would be then, does the BES Agent require an additional Exchange license?

Hmm...
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Because the BB devices utilize the exchange server indirectly they will need a device CALs or buy USER CALs for the BB users (one cal many devices) and leave the device CALs for non BB users.

IIRC BESAdmin does need one.
So do you pay for one extra CAL or possible $50,000.00 fine someday.
The sure bet is on buying the cheap CAL.
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I'm not sure about the fine if the CAL defines itself as a license for each user or device that accesses the Exchange server. You don't need an Exchange CAL for users using OWA.

I was thinking the same thing, that the BESAdmin user account would need a User CAL or BES would need a Device CAL.

Along those same lines, would you also need 60 SQL CALs (For each user on BES) or just 1 SQL CAL for BES itself?
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The BES server is the only device accessing the Exchange server, it's then passing that information on to devices. It would be like having one computer in the office for 60 people - everyone checks their email through that one computer and if you had one device CAL, you're still legal. Only one CAL would be required - User or Device.

Now, what would be more insteresting is Windows Mobile Units - they're accessing the server directly.
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Thanks for the discussion on this.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:46 PM   #7
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If using MSDE you do not need a license.(good for 500 users on a decent machine)

If you have a dedicated SQL server , then hopefully you bought a per processor license instead of SQL user CALs (cheaper in the long run with many users)
There has been a debate on it on a few forums.

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Just to be clear though, we're talking Exchange CALs not SQL CALs in this thread.
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I was talking about both.

I contacted Microsoft licensing department to try to clear things up. I called twice just to make sure I got the same answer.

You need an Exchange CAL for every blackberry device if you are using Per Device CALs. You also need a SQL CAL for every blackberry device if you are using Per Device CALs or Per User CALs on SQL. It would be better to use SQL's Licensing per cpu socket.

Microsoft claims that "their" interpretation of the license is that the blackberry device will check with BES to see if it is active/it's policy/anything then BES will access SQL per that device's request so that is indirect use of SQL. The same goes with Exchange. If you are getting your email on the device by way of BES then you are indirectly accessing Exchange. You are also indirectly access AD to authenticate your Exchange account so you would need a Server CAL. ITS REDICULAS!
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Well I would not always believe what M$ tells you when it comes to asking how much money you need to give them.
What if you have a website on your windows server you do not need additional cals for every user that accesses that website which in turn uses SQL
so I believe if the BESAdmin account is covered with a CAL then all is right in the world for all the BB you have
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I think it's pretty unusual to buy Exchange Device CALs anyway, unless you're dealing with shift workers.

I'm not sure when their whole definition of multi-plexing (which is their way of saying indirect usage) went into affect.
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