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hotburnttoast · 05-25-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by flash24

Same exact thing happened to me, I was just watching TV one afternoon and then all of a sudden UMA is gone, no EDGE, no nothing.

Also, sim card will cost you $20 (tmobile) make sure you contact them first, maybe you can get a free one, if not they will give you credit for it.

Mine died after 4:51am, as that was the last timp stamped email I got.... My device said initailzation failed on my home screen

... NO charge for me for a SIM CARD......I still can't get UMA to work

....ANY Ideas

hotburnttoast · 05-25-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jibi

What do you mean how can they tell? Your phone registers with their network. When you get a new phone and login to T-Mobile's Customer Care Portal, it asks if you want to update your profile with the new device. They own the network. Think of the carrier or RIM as 'God' - all-knowing...

...as for why this release, I have no clue. Perhaps since this release ultimately kills UMA (first one to do this), maybe they thought it best that their customers not be able to use it.

Or maybe this is the reason why UMA wasn't working in the first place. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a carrier start blocking devices running certain rogue OS versions that have the potential of harming their network (more of a legal thought than actual reality).

I understand all of that, but how can they tell which software the phone is running....... Does the phone tell RIM what software it is running, and if it does why not a warning from TMO or RIM to remove the software or else.....

hotburnttoast · 05-25-2008, 05:13 PM

Or maybe this is the reason why UMA wasn't working in the first place. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a carrier start blocking devices running certain rogue OS versions that have the potential of harming their network (more of a legal thought than actual reality).[/QUOTE]

Well then how in the heck are people getting UMA to work on there phones!!!

VickyPaz · 05-25-2008, 05:34 PM

So for those that this happened to, you just bought a new sim card from your carrier but with the same phone number on it? Did the carrier know you had a beta OS or were no questions asked? I'm just curious how you fixed the problem in case it happens to someone else I know...

flash24 · 05-25-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitty

Have you tried wiping the device than reloading the OS? I've had that issue in the past with both OS 4.2 as well as OS 4.5 but a reload of the OS corrected the issue for me.

Yea, the sim card was totally dead, I tried it on my mom's blackberry and it didn't work, so it's definitely the sim card.

flash24 · 05-25-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyPaz

So for those that this happened to, you just bought a new sim card from your carrier but with the same phone number on it? Did the carrier know you had a beta OS or were no questions asked? I'm just curious how you fixed the problem in case it happens to someone else I know...

Yea, same phone number. I didn't tell them that I was running a beta OS, this could void your warranty. I just told them that it all of a sudden stopped working. I had to pay $20 for the sim, but they gave me credit for it.

VickyPaz · 05-25-2008, 06:27 PM

Good to know. Just curious, did you go back to the beta OS or did you decide to stay with the current TM 4.2 OS?

NCBuckeye · 05-25-2008, 11:08 PM

It sounds weird that an OS would do that, but who knows.

muck · 05-26-2008, 12:50 AM

i have replaced my simcard with os4.2. it could jsut be luck of the irish.

jibi · 05-26-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hotburnttoast

I understand all of that, but how can they tell which software the phone is running....... Does the phone tell RIM what software it is running, and if it does why not a warning from TMO or RIM to remove the software or else.....

Yes, they can tell what version software the devices are running. As for why no warning, I believe that is likely in the terms of service. However, someone may want to call T-Mobile and ask why their SIM card was disabled (although play dumb and treat it like a general support call).

...I really hope AT&T starts doing this, as well. That will be one hilarious phone conversation when I call in...

mouseberry · 05-26-2008, 07:22 AM

off topic slightly, but my sim is 10 yrs old lol, guess they don't make them like they used to!

JEGO82 · 05-26-2008, 10:04 AM

No issues with my sim card here

Sith_Apprentice · 05-26-2008, 10:36 AM

It is not surprising at all that this would happen. RIM has taken several measures to stop leaks, though it is nearly impossible to stop them all. There have been several actual RIM employees fired for what they have done to violate their NDA. The next logical step, if you cant control the internal leaks, is to try and control the external users.

ChesterJT · 05-26-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice

It is not surprising at all that this would happen. RIM has taken several measures to stop leaks, though it is nearly impossible to stop them all. There have been several actual RIM employees fired for what they have done to violate their NDA. The next logical step, if you cant control the internal leaks, is to try and control the external users.

You know this does have some merit. I have AT&T and had 4.5.0.18 on my 8100. It worked fine for a day or so, then I started getting kicked off the EDGE network consistently. I had to do battery pulls almost hourly, but eventually would get kicked off again. I could still make calls and use text messaging, but all data services were dead. Never thought about AT&T purposely shutting it off. Switched back to last stable release from Rogers and have been fine ever since. Could always be an issue with the beta OS too I suppose.

LunkHead · 05-26-2008, 11:05 AM

Whats a sim card??

I can't find this in my Alltel 8330....

Thanks

Kris

ezrunner · 05-26-2008, 11:22 AM

Lunk .....lunk .....lunk

silly beastie

Alltel doesn't make use of the SIM

jibi · 05-26-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChesterJT

You know this does have some merit. I have AT&T and had 4.5.0.18 on my 8100. It worked fine for a day or so, then I started getting kicked off the EDGE network consistently. I had to do battery pulls almost hourly, but eventually would get kicked off again. I could still make calls and use text messaging, but all data services were dead. Never thought about AT&T purposely shutting it off. Switched back to last stable release from Rogers and have been fine ever since. Could always be an issue with the beta OS too I suppose.

Your last statement is the correct assumption - that release was horrible for network connectivity.

flash24 · 05-26-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ezrunner

Lunk .....lunk .....lunk

silly beastie

Alltel doesn't make use of the SIM

That's why he has never heard of it

pheng617 · 05-26-2008, 11:35 PM

BLEH my sim card was killed had 4.5.0.37 i believe and wablam!

wjackson81 · 05-27-2008, 03:17 AM

I think this may be an unrelated problem. My sim card shat out on me after 6 weeks and that was when I was using 2.194. I used the same sim card on my v600 for 7 years w/o incident. If they were actively hunting (which would not be at all difficult with help from the carriers), they would have the leak contained already.

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