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Old 11-22-2010, 05:41 PM   #21
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Which constitutional right is being violated?
Free speech? The right to bear arms?

Come on - it isn't a violation of your rights, it is simply wrong. "Invasion of privacy" is not a constitutional right.
"The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The amendment specifically also requires search and arrest warrants be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it." -stole this from the wiki.



now you are getting searched to do something that is done privately. your trying to board a plane, you didn't rob a liquor store, your getting patted down by some one making 9 bux an hr. that has no training.

cops dont pat you down the way they do at the air port.

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Old 11-22-2010, 05:43 PM   #22
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So doing a body scan is unreasonable search and seizure, in your opinion.

I guess the Department of Homeland Security lawyers, in conjunction with DOJ, would disagree. But keep fighting. That's what makes America great.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:47 PM   #23
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We have a disagreement, nothing more. I don't like it - one bit - but don't consider it to be an unreasonable search. I travel - a lot - and dislike this intensely, but I do not consider it unconstitutional. If we don't like it, we either don't fly (which is a choice) or make enough noise (which we are ALSO choosing) to get a bad decision changed.
slavery had laws too. there was nothing wrong with slavery right?......

just cause people allow something does not mean its not a violation.

the clear cut fact is they are breaking the law. the same way a cop cant stop you for no reason and pat you down, they don't have this luxury too.

hell its a 9 bux an hr employee. or 12.
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:53 PM   #24
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Wow - you are all fired up around this. Comparing TSA security programs to slavery.

Well, good for your passion. The ACLU needs people like you.

I disagree with you, and I will defend your right to speak your mind.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:01 PM   #25
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Wow - you are all fired up around this. Comparing TSA security programs to slavery.

Well, good for your passion. The ACLU needs people like you.

I disagree with you, and I will defend your right to speak your mind.
sorry, the tsa/nsa piss me off. its wrong for the people who have no alternatives and experience this. after all its a plane trip. whats next on subways? govt building? buses, cars?

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maybe every dwelling/building/nick and cranny should have camera's full body scanners a 12 bux an employee monitoring you, so no terrorist is building bombs on our land.......

where does this stop?

i agree noise makes movement and i'm not the quiet type ...

the problem with this is, its an after effect of 9/11. to prevent one..... kinda late right? don't you think terrorist have other methods planned... what if terrorist blew up the superbowl, then full body scanners to watch a nfl game? (just a thought).

till something more tragic happens, this will be a hot topic and for now its a band aid to prevent a 2nd 9/11 ....

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Old 11-22-2010, 06:07 PM   #26
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Another way you can rationalize is that any government employee in a jury trial is either lying or guilty. Worked for years in IRS courts.

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Old 11-22-2010, 06:17 PM   #27
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answer me this.

they want to stop bombs on planes right and weapons, why cant the full body scanner be just that?

they have technology to detect bombs, hand held, only so many chemical makes ups can be done. scan for bombs. no reason to do full body scans, and see / save images.... this is just insane.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:29 PM   #28
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Wow. This really has you upset.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:45 PM   #29
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it does!

sorry venting and nothing directed actually at you.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:01 PM   #30
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Oh, it's OK. I find it refreshing and a bit amusing. And I am not insulting you.
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Another possible approach to the issue.

"Going commando" on the TSA
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Oh, it's OK. I find it refreshing and a bit amusing. And I am not insulting you.
yeh i wasn't taking anything as an insult, but i also wasn't attacking you, just quested you for some replies

since what tsa/nsa are doing actually really really bothers me.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:20 PM   #33
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Yes, you've said that twice.
It repeatedly really really bothers you.
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Old 11-23-2010, 12:18 AM   #34
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One woman's story... so outrageous.
Our Little Chatterboxes: TSA - Sexual Assault

Some interesting background on the Rapiscan scanners being used.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/11...those-see.html

Perhaps a better approach. He says we have an illusion of security not real security.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:41 AM   #35
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Ditto. Follow the money. I understand the reason for all the full body scanners after so long is that they are being bought with bailout money. Just what I hear. Can't point to a legit source. And also hear that the reason for the aggressive pat downs is punishment for opting out of the full body scan, to pressure people to submit to the scan.

By the way, so far as I know TSA has not caught a terrorist and stopped them from getting on a plane. Anyone know for sure? I remember some cases, pre-911, and I think they were in other countries. The one I'm thinking of in particular involved pre-flight interview and not scanning.
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What I do remember hearing/reading is that some of the terrorists on 9/11 were helped by airport employees who were imbedded.
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Another possible approach to the issue.

"Going commando" on the TSA
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Sort of a natural air conditioning.
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back in July the family and I were returning from vacation in Florida. At the Jacksonville airport I was pulled out of line to go through the full body scanner. I guess i looked like a terrorist or whatever they were looking for in my shorts, flip-flops and grateful dead t-shirt. I don't know maybe they thought i had heroin shoved somewhere, who knows? Anyway as I wasn't packing anything other than what I was born with i had no problem with the scanner. It was kinda strange inside the "tube" with the widget wizzing around my body, but really what is the issue here? Hope they enjoyed the scenery!

If you have nothing to hide what's the big deal? I guess i just don't get it? I hear flying in and out of Isreal is a real xxxxx so i don't know why we americans think this is "unnecessary". Maybe someone can enlighten me as to what is the issue here?
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The issue is many people--if you trust the polls it's apparently 60+ percent--believe it is wrong. I'd go so far as to say these people would say it is un-American and akin to what they would expect in a police state, if they had been asked.

We can argue the legality of it and all, but people have a strong sense of what is good and right, and that's what it all boils down to in the end.

I think there is also a broad sense that it is misguided and ineffective as well to seemly treat everyone the same instead of finding the dangerous people and keeping them from the plane.

The argument that you should have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide is very offensive to a lot of people who think deeper than you on the subject of their rights. They know you have to stand up for yourself even when it seems a small matter, or it won't matter when the issue becomes a big one.
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