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daphne 11-19-2010 07:12 PM

Has the TSA gone too far?
 
These stories are terrible of what people are being subjected to since the new pat down techniques have been started.

TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthesis - Travel - News - msnbc.com

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updated 1 hour 24 minutes ago 2010-11-19T22:31:32
Share Print Font: +-A longtime Charlotte, N.C., flight attendant and cancer survivor told a local television station that she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.

Cathy Bossi, who works for U.S. Airways, said she received the pat-down after declining to do the full-body scan because of radiation concerns.

The TSA screener "put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?' " Bossi told the station. "And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that.' "

Bossi said she removed the prosthetic from her bra. She did not take the name of the agent, she said, "because it was just so horrific of an experience, I couldn't believe someone had done that to me. I'm a flight attendant. I was just trying to get to work."


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Sharon Kiss, 66, has a pacemaker, but also has to fly often for her work.

"During a recent enhanced pat-down, a screener cupped my breasts and felt my genitals," she said in an e-mail to msnbc.com "To 'clear my waistband' she put her hands down my pants and groped for the waistband of my underwear.

"I expressed humiliation and was told 'You have the choice not to fly.' "

The remark infuriated Kiss, who lives in Mendocino, Calif. "Extrapolate this to we should not provide curb cuts and ramps for people confined to wheelchairs because they can choose to stay home ... This a violation of civil rights. And because I have a disability, I should not be subjected to what is government-sanctioned sexual assault in order to board a plane."
If a screener tried to do that to me, my impulse would be to punch them in the face. :x

Is this really going to stop terrorists?

Dubdub 11-19-2010 08:00 PM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
Sometimes we have to take 2 steps back before we can take a half a step forward.

This is just going a bit too far.

TBOLTRAM 11-19-2010 08:31 PM

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I rationalize all this be realizing that TSA employees are potential embedded terrorists. But then all law enforcement agents could be. Best way to get in and do nefarious things.

On the other hand I now know when it is proper to fart in public. :razz:

wabbit 11-20-2010 01:17 AM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
i wont fly due to these scanners, and frisking, as far as i am concerned this is a violation of my constitutional rights.

nsa and tsa can all burn in hell.

mriff 11-20-2010 07:10 AM

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I wish I had a choice. So far, I have not been patted down as some have. I've been basically frisked a couple times, but haven't had the waistband thing happen. I have been through the 'naked scanner' a number of times though. Very weird.

ezrunner 11-20-2010 07:17 AM

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I do believe the security unfortunately is necessary but I believe it is also getting out of control
To many stories of these "pat downs" going wrong. If I experienced something like some of these folks I would not react kindly. I'd defend myself from the perceived threat! Then fight it in court. Or I'd make very crude sexual remarks to whomever was patting down. "While your down there"
Seriously though one of the reasons ill be driving to my next vacation destination
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NJBlackBerry 11-20-2010 07:35 AM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
I've been patted down in several different airports globally over the years (they must be looking for a middle aged heavy guy who fits a profile), but the TSA has gone too far.

They never use any common sense or logic, and (far worse) they are fighting the last war...

Out of control.

TBOLTRAM 11-20-2010 10:39 AM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
From Pogo many years ago:

We have met the enemy and he is us.

djm2 11-21-2010 09:04 AM

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At what point are we so busy protecting ourselves and our society that we lose the essence of our society -- freedom.

CanuckBB 11-21-2010 02:05 PM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
To put it in perspective, I've flown through Ben Gurion, which is arguably the safest airport in the world, and I've never been patted down. I've looked at, chatted up and questioned. And all of my luggage has ALWAYS been looked through. When over 50% of luggage and cargo is bnot even screened, what good is the naked picture and pat down?

Israel has proved what is required for real security. Unfortunately, the number of staff and level of training required means that you can't have a small number of morons around a single point. That costs money, and will never be implemented until Americans are willing to give up the $99 NY to LA round trip.

aiharkness 11-21-2010 07:43 PM

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I've seen stupid and had stupid done to me, but I haven't seen anything over the top myself. I know there are always extremes, and I'm leary of the extremes being used to define the whole thing.

That said, TSA as a whole is asinine. It's reactive, for one thing; and the focus on objects instead of people is just plain dumb. Some are calling it security theater and I think there's some truth in that. Bureaucrats doing their best to give the appearance of doing something.

My opinion is CanuckBB has seen smart security.

daphne 11-21-2010 11:03 PM

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Speaking of the enemy...
TSA has met the enemy xxx151; and they are us - Yahoo! News

TBOLTRAM 11-22-2010 07:34 AM

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Now for the reality. The system will create long que lines. The lines will have to weave back and forth. Someone who wants to create a problem could blow up or release something in the que line and kill quite a few people before anyone has gone through the TSA security.

Yes, we are fighting the last war and not doing a very good job of it.

kathrynhr 11-22-2010 08:34 AM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wabbit (Post 1675880)
i wont fly due to these scanners, and frisking, as far as i am concerned this is a violation of my constitutional rights.

nsa and tsa can all burn in hell.

This. (y)

I'm not flying until they get this mess sorted out. I know it will happen eventually.

Not only can I not imagine subjecting myself to this, I would go nuclear if someone touched my kids in anything resembling the way these "pat downs" are being described. Neither am I OK with my kids going through the scanner.

NJBlackBerry 11-22-2010 08:43 AM

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Which constitutional right is being violated?
Free speech? The right to bear arms?

Come on - it isn't a violation of your rights, it is simply wrong. "Invasion of privacy" is not a constitutional right.

kathrynhr 11-22-2010 08:51 AM

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I disagree. Privacy is implied in both the constitution and the bill of rights. Rights that are not specifically assigned to government are left to its citizens, just as rights that are not explicitly assigned to the federal government are left to states. The Supreme Court has upheld this time and again. That's how we arrive at limited government.

This is the leading article on CNN this morning, by the way:

Pat-down backlash grows during holiday travel rush - CNN.com

aiharkness 11-22-2010 09:07 AM

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Not saying I come down on one side or the other, but the right in question would be that against unreasonable search, right to due process, etc. The opposing argument is that (or might be, I don't know) there is no violation of due process and that an individual is or should be well aware that he granted permission to be searched by buying a plane ticket and proceeding to security screening. And then the other side will say, "Yeah, ok, true, but I didn't grant permission to be abused like I was."

As I say, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with one side of the issue of the other, though the reports of the extremes are pretty ugly.
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jsconyers 11-22-2010 10:33 AM

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Body Scanner Operator Caught Masturbating at Colorado Airport

From what I understand, this is the UK's version of the Onion. But still, yucky!

MrKyoo 11-22-2010 10:56 AM

Re: Has the TSA gone too far?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wabbit (Post 1675880)
i wont fly due to these scanners, and frisking, as far as i am concerned this is a violation of my constitutional rights.

nsa and tsa can all burn in hell.

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Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 1675933)
Which constitutional right is being violated?
Free speech? The right to bear arms?

Come on - it isn't a violation of your rights, it is simply wrong. "Invasion of privacy" is not a constitutional right.

I'm assuming the 4th Amendment. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.

NJBlackBerry 11-22-2010 11:42 AM

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We have a disagreement, nothing more. I don't like it - one bit - but don't consider it to be an unreasonable search. I travel - a lot - and dislike this intensely, but I do not consider it unconstitutional. If we don't like it, we either don't fly (which is a choice) or make enough noise (which we are ALSO choosing) to get a bad decision changed.


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