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juwaack68 10-13-2011 02:48 PM

Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Now that Steve Jobs is gone, and he seemed to be the one who unilaterally said NO to Flash on iPhones/iPads, do you think that stance will change with Tim Cook at the Apple helm?

penguin3107 10-13-2011 02:52 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Nope.

TBOLTRAM 10-13-2011 03:01 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Likely Adobe will morp Flash into something that will show up on Apple equipment. Flashbulb?

rambo47 10-13-2011 03:06 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
I think Flash is on the way out. Won't disappear tomorrow, but the growing trend seems to be HTML5. Steve kept it away long enough that HTML5 got a foothold and will be the future standard. Tim Cook won't sully the memory of His Steveness by reversing that policy.

LunkHead 10-16-2011 12:59 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Having used several Android devices I can say that flash on them SUCKS! 1st thing I always did was turn it off in browser (think it was disable plugins)....

brownkc 10-21-2011 10:48 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
The past style of Flash won't be supported on Apple products and I'm guessing most mobile platforms will drop any support they have. Several months ago I saw an interesting posting that seemed to sum up the problems with Flash. The basics were that it is power hungry, one of the leading sources of viruses/infections on computers and not optimized for a touch interface (requires the precision of a mouse).

I believe Adobe is trying to reduce the power and virus issue by releasing a new developer package this last month that will have the application run on the websites server instead of the mobile device. Essentially, the device will just play back the content thus requiring less processor overhead and reducing the power requirement. I would also think this reduces the chance of a virus/infection.

Whether a flash application is optimized for a touch interface, is up to the developer. The argument for flash is that so many sites have it. But many of those sites are not using an interface optimized for touch. So, even if you could run the flash program, you're like a bull in a china shop trying to interact with the interface.

ArgonNJ 10-24-2011 04:06 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo47 (Post 1750104)
I think Flash is on the way out. Won't disappear tomorrow, but the growing trend seems to be HTML5. Steve kept it away long enough that HTML5 got a foothold and will be the future standard. Tim Cook won't sully the memory of His Steveness by reversing that policy.

Agreed, Flash is a dying technology.

NJBlackBerry 10-24-2011 05:25 PM

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(Translation - Apple is perfect and sees no reason to change in spite of the fact that their visionary is gone). Signed, Argon.

ArgonNJ 10-25-2011 09:27 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 1752098)
(Translation - Apple is perfect and sees no reason to change in spite of the fact that their visionary is gone). Signed, Argon.

Flash is a resource hog and is un-workable in mobile platform. Jobs saw that and now so is everyone else. HTML 5 is where mobile video is going. Only the idiots at Adobe are clinging to it.

NJBlackBerry 10-26-2011 06:02 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
And, of course, consumers who want their CURRENT websites to appear properly.
But they don't seem to matter.

jsconyers 10-26-2011 09:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1752308)
Flash is a resource hog and is un-workable in mobile platform.

Seems to run fine on Android devices as well as the PlayBook.

NJBlackBerry 10-26-2011 09:38 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
There you go again. Never let truthful comments get in the way of fanboys.

ArgonNJ 10-26-2011 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsconyers (Post 1752357)
Seems to run fine on Android devices as well as the PlayBook.

Actually it doesn't, not on Android anyway.

ArgonNJ 10-26-2011 11:50 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 1752358)
There you go again. Never let truthful comments get in the way of fanboys.

Pot, meet kettle hahahaha

jsconyers 10-26-2011 11:51 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1752384)
Actually it doesn't, not on Android anyway.

Please tell me how it doesn't. I have been using Android devices for about 18 months now and never had any issues with Flash on it. I would love to hear your opinion of why it doesn't work well on Android.

NJBlackBerry 10-26-2011 12:23 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Well it isn't on Windows Phone 7 and that's his current fascination.

NJBlackBerry 10-26-2011 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1752386)
Pot, meet kettle hahahaha

To the contrary - I use several different devices and would like to see Flash available on all of them. I don't flip flop (need references to your Apple Rules posts) when the newest thing comes along.

ArgonNJ 10-27-2011 01:38 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 1752395)
To the contrary - I use several different devices and would like to see Flash available on all of them. I don't flip flop (need references to your Apple Rules posts) when the newest thing comes along.

Actually so do I. I have a WP7, and iPad, my old iPhone 4 which I used for wifi browsing around the house. I have both a Windows PC and 2 Macs. I don't miss Flash at all, and as more and more non Flash phones and tablets come to market, websites will phase out Flash completely.

Thiego-uk 10-31-2011 05:51 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1752585)
websites will phase out Flash completely.

I agree with you, but that would be in 3 - 5 years time ;)

NJBlackBerry 10-31-2011 08:08 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Reality gets in the way of fantasy all the time.
Web sites are VERY slow to adopt new technologies.

DallasFlier 11-07-2011 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 1752394)
Well it isn't on Windows Phone 7 and that's his current fascination.

I'm thinking he's looking at it as just an arithmetic thing. Windows Phone 7 has to be better than Apple iPhone 4S, right? :? Android seems to go through the revisions quicker, so when we get to Android 8 I predict he'll shift again - unless Windows Phone 8 comes out first. After all, he's already preparing - has proclaimed himself an expert on whether or not Flash runs on Android. ;-)

ArgonNJ 11-09-2011 04:00 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Well know it alls, it seems even Adobe sees the light on the wall and is stopping development of mobile Flash.

Adobe to stop new development on mobile Flash Player | Android Central

ifonline 11-09-2011 06:47 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Finally. Maybe this whole "Flash is awesome" junk can finally be put to bed.

TBOLTRAM 11-09-2011 08:34 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
And now for a bit of reality. Yesterday I started the renewal process for my Texas PE and while I was going around the Texas Professional Engineers Board website I noticed that they now have videos of recent board meetings. Guess what format was used? Thats right, Adobe Flash.

ifonline 11-09-2011 10:40 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
So the Texas PEB still uses Flash... what exactly does that mean for the rest of us and what does that have to do with Flash for mobile devices being discontinued?

ArgonNJ 11-09-2011 12:08 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754469)
And now for a bit of reality. Yesterday I started the renewal process for my Texas PE and while I was going around the Texas Professional Engineers Board website I noticed that they now have videos of recent board meetings. Guess what format was used? Thats right, Adobe Flash.

All that means is the webmaster is lazy and either doesn't know any better or simply doesn't care. Flash is on the way out. Whether of not websites continue to use it depends on how with it they are and how much they care about their viewers.

NJBlackBerry 11-09-2011 12:28 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Fantasy Land.

TBOLTRAM 11-09-2011 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1754491)
All that means is the webmaster is lazy and either doesn't know any better or simply doesn't care. Flash is on the way out. Whether of not websites continue to use it depends on how with it they are and how much they care about their viewers.

This is a recent change. Likely the board did a survey and determined that Flash was the least worst option. I think they used to use Realplayer. The Texas Electricians Board still does.

ArgonNJ 11-09-2011 01:51 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754504)
This is a recent change. Likely the board did a survey and determined that Flash was the least worst option. I think they used to use Realplayer. The Texas Electricians Board still does.

The writing on the wall has been there for awhile. When Jobs said he wasn't supporting it on the wildly popular iphone and ipad, it was over for Flash. With more and more people accessing the web, ONLY on portable device now a days, Flash was doomed. Adobe just confirmed what many had already known was going to happen.

ifonline 11-09-2011 02:09 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754504)
I think they used to use Realplayer.

Ouch. I didn't realize that anyone still uses that junk.

TBOLTRAM 11-09-2011 03:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ifonline (Post 1754507)
Ouch. I didn't realize that anyone still uses that junk.

Remember I am talking about reality. Reality is real world marginal users of techology, not the educated. What I find interesting is that the Apple video product is also not used as much as expected. I wonder what SJ thought about that.

ArgonNJ 11-10-2011 02:40 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
I think this thread can officially be closed!

ifonline 11-10-2011 06:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754515)
Remember I am talking about reality. Reality is real world marginal users of techology, not the educated.

Reality based on the website of the Texas PEB? Really? Seems like such a limited scope to prove that "reality" still uses RealPlayer and Flash.

Quote:

What I find interesting is that the Apple video product is also not used as much as expected.
What Apple video product?

JSanders 11-10-2011 09:48 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ (Post 1754569)
I think this thread can officially be closed!

...good enough reason to leave it open.

TBOLTRAM 11-10-2011 01:41 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ifonline (Post 1754582)

What Apple video product?

QuickTime. How quickly they forget.

Another source of amusement is that Apple has bribed their management to stay with stock I think until 2016. If things were so wonderful why the bribes?

ArgonNJ 11-10-2011 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JSanders (Post 1754594)
...good enough reason to leave it open.

LOL 8-)

daphne 11-10-2011 09:06 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754515)
[...]. What I find interesting is that the Apple video product is also not used as much as expected. I wonder what SJ thought about that.

A lot of people absolutely hate Quicktime. I've seen plenty of posts on the net by people saying they won't use iTunes as long as it requires you to download Quicktime also. I remember when QT used to always hijack your file associations, making itself the default for many file types.

TBOLTRAM 11-11-2011 07:52 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daphne (Post 1754701)
A lot of people absolutely hate Quicktime. I've seen plenty of posts on the net by people saying they won't use iTunes as long as it requires you to download Quicktime also. I remember when QT used to always hijack your file associations, making itself the default for many file types.

True, in it's own way QT, the super duper Apple product is just as crappy as Flash. My point is that some of the more inert users of this forum seem to have blinders on.

ifonline 11-11-2011 07:54 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754644)
QuickTime. How quickly they forget.

Another source of amusement is that Apple has bribed their management to stay with stock I think until 2016. If things were so wonderful why the bribes?

So you couldn't just say "QuickTime?" Odd. Forget? No. There are other Apple apps that I would call "video products" long before I would think about QuickTime.

ifonline 11-11-2011 07:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754742)
True, in it's own way QT, the super duper Apple product is just as crappy as Flash. My point is that some of the more inert users of this forum seem to have blinders on.

Blinders? Where is this even coming from, and what does QuickTime have to do with hating Flash?

TBOLTRAM 11-11-2011 04:20 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ifonline (Post 1754745)
Blinders? Where is this even coming from, and what does QuickTime have to do with hating Flash?

Not directed at you. Question: What is both noble and inert?

ArgonNJ 11-11-2011 08:45 PM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754803)
Not directed at you. Question: What is both noble and inert?

When did I ever mention Quicktime?? Thought this was about Flash??

ifonline 11-12-2011 07:29 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM (Post 1754803)
Not directed at you. Question: What is both noble and inert?

Ah... got it.

wabbit 11-13-2011 11:12 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
adobe is killing mobile flash due to too many hardware variations ..... and html5....

penguin3107 11-13-2011 11:28 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wabbit (Post 1754941)
adobe is killing mobile flash due to too many hardware variations ..... and html5....

You can say this as many ways as you want to try to convince yourselves that it isn't true... but in the end it was iOS that destroyed Flash Mobile.

Lack of iOS support forced Adobe's hand and pushed them to focus on HTML5.

While Adobe has always shown interest in HTML5, there is no way Flash Mobile would have been abandoned if Apple supported it.

ArgonNJ 11-14-2011 01:36 AM

Re: Now that SJ is no longer with us....Flash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin3107 (Post 1754944)
You can say this as many ways as you want to try to convince yourselves that it isn't true... but in the end it was iOS that destroyed Flash Mobile.

Lack of iOS support forced Adobe's hand and pushed them to focus on HTML5.

While Adobe has always shown interest in HTML5, there is no way Flash Mobile would have been abandoned if Apple supported it.

100% correct!


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