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[QUOTE=Jase88]The technical workaround exists: I'm familiar with the details, and from what I understand, it won't significantly impact the performance of Blackberry.
Jase88, How where you able to see the details of the workaround? Can you direct us to this information? I am still not convinced that it is a solution. NTP has very strong patents - i am curious to see how RIM can workaround these patents without compromising their system. Also, the workaround will have to be proven in court prior to use. :bb: |
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My understanding was that during the injuction hearing, RIM will be able to present the workaround as an alternative to injunction. The court will have to then determine whether or not the workaround violates NTP patents. Otherwise, RIM could conitnue to make a minor tweeks to their technology, and NTP would have to go through the long process over and over. :bb:
If the workaround is actually enough of a change as to not infringe on NTP, then RIM is in good shape. This is why better understanding the specifics of the workaround would shed some light on the subject. |
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But then I am just a simple person, with a simple mind, that agrees with the saying "What are 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?" answer, "A good start" (from the disney movie "Hook") |
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Mitch,
i like that joke - i am going to forward it to some of my lawyer friends. From what i have read, the judge has to rule on the case based on the patents that are in place. The actions of the trademark and patent office are exclusive from those of the courts. The patent challenges in the trademark and patent office could take years to be decided, and the courts can not be expect to be at the mercy of this process. |
From what I have read, the Patent Office is expect to make a final judgement in the next 3 months, so what if the court waits a few months to make the right decission. I understand there is also an appeals process in the Patent Office, but it just seems wrong to make any decission in mid-stream.
If the Patent's Office voids all of the patents after the judge rules in favor of NTP, then does that start the process all over? Does NTP have to give back the money they wrongfully gained? If the Patent's Office determines the patents are valid, that would give NTP much more strenght and make the judges decission much stronger in the following court appeals or maybe make a settlement more likely. |
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I understand that there is nothing public about the workaround. Yet, you were able to get the details? Am i to assume that you work at RIM?
The fact that RIM says it exists doesn't mean much. It can exist and hinder the quality of the current system - i am sure we would all agree that this is unacceptable. RIM's great push email is what makes it superior - changing the system could cause problems. Or it could exist and still violate the patent. Therefore, it would be useless. The only way a workaround matter is if it exists and does NOT hinder quality and is NOT in violation of NTP patents. In order to determine whether these conditions are true, we would need to know more about the details. |
As for the patents, why speculate when the judge already explained why he is moving ahead with the case based upon the patents originally being issued. He is well aware of the patent dispute.
If RIM had a seamless workaround, don't you think it would have been deployed, at least partially, to calm investors. I'm sure these are smart guys and have a trick up thier sleeve but if they were willing to force a settlement for $450m, their solution isn't cheap or easy. If they deployed now, the only issue would be the cost to settle NTP claims with no threat of shutdown. They can probably stall that since there isn't an ongoing dispute of RIM still using the technology until the patents are settled. Investors would have confidence and the stock would soar. Users would be happy and the time nd money companies are investing to find alternates would be dropped. Think of the number of companies forced to seriously look at Good, MS and others when these other vendors might well not have been able to get a serious look or a foot in the door. Regards-Michael G. |
I asked one of my patent attorneys about this, and he said that if all the patents are struck down in a final ruling after a settlement is reached, RIM still loses that money. They just would not have to pay any royalties if that was part of the agreement. He believes the patents will be struck down, but not before RIM pays up to a billion dollars to settle. He just upgraded his Blackberry to a 7130 so he's not too worried.
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I think i sound more like somebody trying to understand the details rather than just mindlessly believing everything i hear or read in the news. You claimed you were familiar with the details, but it seems you meant that you only know one detail - it exists. Quote:
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However, IMO, the argument is moot. The "workaround" likely will never see the light of day. NTP has lost the last round of patent challenges, and this is an excellent incentive for them to settle with RIM. |
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NTP hasn't lost anything. There are two different processes at work here, the legal proceedings and the patent review. Each has it's own appeal process. The fact that the patent officed intially rejected some of the patents doesn't have any bearing on the legal case, and the judge has stated as much. |
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"In his ruling last week, Virginia Judge James R. Spencer said he couldn't wait for the belabored Patent Office process and would consider shutting down the BlackBerry service in the United States" http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10313612/site/newsweek/ All the pressure is on RIMM to settle, not NTP. RIMM is losing millions in legal fees ($6 million last quarter, if I remember correctly), this is public relations nightmare and they are going to see sales slow as people look for alternative solutions All tha being said, I don't see BB service being shut down. Does no good for RIMM or NTP. The damage has already been done with news reports coming out of companies looking for alternatives. While they may not need to use these contingency plans, the fact that they seeing alternative solutions should be troubling to RIMM. |
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As much as I hate to, I totally agree with this Good_Guy post here. |
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